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[Lordo]

They have been trying to stop the EU dealing with Russia and not trade with her and they have finally succeeded. We are paying the price for higher costs for energy and our so called leaders the bastards are pocketing some of the extra costs we are paying while enriching American corporations.

[Maximus]

If they have any sense, they would take the offer Putin is offering. Exclude Nato membership and give autonomy to the Russian speakers. That will solve it. There is no point in fighting a war you will be thrashed at.

Even go as far as disarm as it is the best way of not being attacked. It will give their economy a chance to recover and grow with no weapons, just like Japan and Germany did after WW2.

I think the Ukrainians should accept the neutral status of Ukraine but the territorial integrity of country shouldn't be negotiable. The world wont recognize that and that should be something the Russians have to compromise on.

Disarming provides no defense, how is that the best way of not being attacked? That doesn't stop or deter someone from attacking you, you muppet.

As it can be seen unless the majority in a country know how to handle democracy, they allways abuse the minority and it leads to war. Especially if the minorty is a group from a much bigger country.

There is no going back for Ukraine. They had their chance and ruined it just like the GCs. There is only one way to move forward and that is a federal structure or split. Current UN is not fit for pupose and is unable to deal with issues when abuses take place.

Certainly Ukraine should be neutral between east and west and so should all the other ex-soviet states. Accepting American sweets to allow weapons on their land is a mistake and will backfire on them sooner or later. America has no business poking its nose in the affairs of countries 3000 miles away. They should be sent packing where they belong from al lover the world. Till this happens there will be no peace which is exactly what they want as they can sell more weapons.

No sorry, these are Russians you are talking about, they identify as Russians but live in Ukraine.

They cant just walk in and join Russia with what belongs to Ukraine.

[Get Real!]

I think you are mistaking things for something else.

Russia and China are corrupt, they have prostitutes and all sorts of other crime.

Russia and China don’t shove depravity down citizen’s throats like in the EU and US.

And neither do they attack their children with gender questioning and similar disgusting abuses.

They are a more God-fearing and family oriented people with a much more balanced approach to life.

The West has gotten too much… we’ve crossed all red lines pretty bad and are in deep shit.

[Londonrake]

What have the Ukrainians done to you and you want to see them getting bombed?

My gripe is with the criminal West and their collaborators.

I want CHANGE... an end to the West's crimes and filth... a new world order with Russia and China at the helm.

We've tried the West and it's an abysmal disaster... time for change!

It isn't "the criminal west" that's killing Ukrainians. It's Russia. Nothing justifies that and IMHO Putin has done something quite incredible in regard to an accelerating, coordinated response to his megalomania. He's set himself on a road to destruction and my great worry is what he will do when that realisation strikes him. What would Napoleon or Hitler have done when they realised the chips were down, they were finished and had nuclear weapons at their fingertips? That's my principle concern. As it would be for any sane person (that's not you Sir).

Your advocacy of a man who's been the ruthless dictator of Russia for 2 decades and the repressive CCP are at odds with any concept of rationality wrt personal freedom and intellectual enlightenment.

Sooner or later, whatever happens, Russia and China (most likely China, predominantly) are going to eat each other.

What exactly - apart from giving you the freedom to spend far too much time on self-radicalising nutcase websites - has the "filthy" west done to you? By your account you've had a University education and have a small but successful business involving a discipline you love. It seems you live in a mansion, one to the great envy of the likes of Milti, with umpteen cars and all the cigarettes, booze and good food you could wish for. A loving wife and freedom to pursue your interests, uninterrupted by any political shackles or overbearing state control. It's called biting the hand that's fed you.

You come across as a hate-filled and bitter man. Much like ........................... I'd love to know what in your past has mentally fucked you up so much.

[Lordo]

What have the Ukrainians done to you and you want to see them getting bombed?

My gripe is with the criminal West and their collaborators.

I want CHANGE... an end to the West's crimes and filth... a new world order with Russia and China at the helm.

We've tried the West and it's an abysmal disaster... time for change!

It isn't "the criminal west" that's killing Ukrainians. It's Russia. Nothing justifies that and IMHO Putin has done something quite incredible in regard to an accelerating, coordinated response to his megalomania. He's set himself on a road to destruction and my great worry is what he will do when that realisation strikes him. What would Napoleon or Hitler have done when they realised the chips were down, they were finished and had nuclear weapons at their fingertips? That's my principle concern. As it would be for any sane person (that's not you Sir).

Your advocacy of a man who's been the ruthless dictator of Russia for 2 decades and the repressive CCP are at odds with any concept of rationality wrt personal freedom and intellectual enlightenment.

Sooner or later, whatever happens, Russia and China (most likely China, predominantly) are going to eat each other.

What exactly - apart from giving you the freedom to spend far too much time on self-radicalising nutcase websites - has the "filthy" west done to you? By your account you've had a University education and have a small but successful business involving a discipline you love. It seems you live in a mansion, one to the great envy of the likes of Milti, with umpteen cars and all the cigarettes, booze and good food you could wish for. A loving wife and freedom to pursue your interests, uninterrupted by any political shackles or overbearing state control. It's called biting the hand that's fed you.

You come across as a hate-filled and bitter man. Much like ........................... I'd love to know what in your past has mentally fucked you up so much.

Just a small point. You telling me the Brits and the Yanks had no idea this would happen if they sponsored Ukraine to Join Nato. Either they knew exactly what they were doing or they were cluless and I do not believe they were cluless. They needed Russia isolated and the Ukrainians to pay the price. It is a very simple plan and it works every time.

[Lordo]

There it is in black and white.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Russia is demanding Ukraine cease military action, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory and recognise the separatist republics of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent territories.

It really is that simple. WillUkraine be wise enough to bluff Putin and accept the offer. If thay have any brains they would.

[Londonrake]

Well, that's like cherry picking in extremis.

I don't see much evidence to support the idea that Ukraine were heading for imminent NATO membership. Far from it. IMHO it was an excuse. I do though now see evidence that Finland and Sweden, both of whom as you will know have been neutral for our lifetimes, have been making moves in the direction of exploring membership. Yet another Putin blunder IMHO.

When it comes to Russian isolation. I submit that nobody has done a better job than Vladimir Putin.

[Maximus]

Well, that's like cherry picking in extremis.

I don't see much evidence to support the idea that Ukraine were heading for imminent NATO membership. Far from it. IMHO it was an excuse. I do though now see evidence that Finland and Sweden, both of whom as you will know have been neutral for our lifetimes, have been making moves in the direction of exploring membership. Yet another Putin blunder IMHO.

When it comes to Russian isolation. I submit that nobody has done a better job than Vladimir Putin.

They would be making the same mistake that Ukraine made.

Ukraine was on the path to join NATO, they changed their constitution in 2019 to set them on that trajectory.

Sooner or later, Russia was bound to challenge it, despite their concerns, the west didnt listen.

[Lordo]

Well, that's like cherry picking in extremis.

I don't see much evidence to support the idea that Ukraine were heading for imminent NATO membership. Far from it. IMHO it was an excuse. I do though now see evidence that Finland and Sweden, both of whom as you will know have been neutral for our lifetimes, have been making moves in the direction of exploring membership. Yet another Putin blunder IMHO.

When it comes to Russian isolation. I submit that nobody has done a better job than Vladimir Putin.

It makes no difference how close they were in actually joining and they did attack the Russian Speakers back in 2014 too.

[Londonrake]

Well, that's like cherry picking in extremis.

I don't see much evidence to support the idea that Ukraine were heading for imminent NATO membership. Far from it. IMHO it was an excuse. I do though now see evidence that Finland and Sweden, both of whom as you will know have been neutral for our lifetimes, have been making moves in the direction of exploring membership. Yet another Putin blunder IMHO.

When it comes to Russian isolation. I submit that nobody has done a better job than Vladimir Putin.

They would be making the same mistake that Ukraine made.

I'm sure you would agree, invading Sweden or Finland would be an entirely different kettle of fish. Of course, it didn't work too well for them in 1939.