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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:20 pm

Lordo wrote:If they have any sense, they would take the offer Putin is offering. Exclude Nato membership and give autonomy to the Russian speakers. That will solve it. There is no point in fighting a war you will be thrashed at.

Even go as far as disarm as it is the best way of not being attacked. It will give their economy a chance to recover and grow with no weapons, just like Japan and Germany did after WW2.


I think the Ukrainians should accept the neutral status of Ukraine but the territorial integrity of country shouldn't be negotiable. The world wont recognize that and that should be something the Russians have to compromise on.

Disarming provides no defense, how is that the best way of not being attacked? That doesn't stop or deter someone from attacking you, you muppet.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:27 pm

I’ll bet they’re now kicking themselves for refusing to simply reject NATO in writing, and they’d be done but such a lenient offer is no longer on the table I’m afraid.

Once they got Russia to waste billions and shed tons of blood don’t expect the same deal to exist anymore!

Tough titties to Ukraine… they foolishly gambled and lost big time.

Install a comedian for a president and you end up a circus! :)
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:32 pm

that is no justification to continue fighting, that will waste more billions and shed tons more blood.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:33 pm

Mariah Carey - "Love Takes Time"

I had it all but I let it slip away
Couldn't see I treated you wrong
Now I wander around
Feeling down and cold
Trying to believe that you're gone


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:36 pm

What have the Ukrainians done to you and you want to see them getting bombed?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:40 pm

Maximus wrote:What have the Ukrainians done to you and you want to see them getting bombed?

My gripe is with the criminal West and their collaborators.

I want CHANGE... an end to the West's crimes and filth... a new world order with Russia and China at the helm.

We've tried the West and it's an abysmal disaster... time for change!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:45 pm

As much as I agree that power should have checks and balances,

China's and Russia's human rights records are not impressive and the Ukrainians shouldn't pay the price for you.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:50 pm

Maximus wrote:As much as I agree that power should have checks and balances,

China's and Russia's human rights records are not impressive and the Ukrainians shouldn't pay the price for you.

The West has proven that too much freedom leads to too many other serious problems such as the abuse to kids, the constant prostitution of women, phenomenal corruption, death and destruction to other nations, etc… the list of sins just goes on and on.

The world needs change desperately. I see nothing but pain and misery all over the West.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:55 pm

I think you are mistaking things for something else.

Russia and China are corrupt, they have prostitutes and all sorts of other crime.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:57 pm

Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:If they have any sense, they would take the offer Putin is offering. Exclude Nato membership and give autonomy to the Russian speakers. That will solve it. There is no point in fighting a war you will be thrashed at.

Even go as far as disarm as it is the best way of not being attacked. It will give their economy a chance to recover and grow with no weapons, just like Japan and Germany did after WW2.


I think the Ukrainians should accept the neutral status of Ukraine but the territorial integrity of country shouldn't be negotiable. The world wont recognize that and that should be something the Russians have to compromise on.

Disarming provides no defense, how is that the best way of not being attacked? That doesn't stop or deter someone from attacking you, you muppet.

As it can be seen unless the majority in a country know how to handle democracy, they allways abuse the minority and it leads to war. Especially if the minorty is a group from a much bigger country.

There is no going back for Ukraine. They had their chance and ruined it just like the GCs. There is only one way to move forward and that is a federal structure or split. Current UN is not fit for pupose and is unable to deal with issues when abuses take place.

Certainly Ukraine should be neutral between east and west and so should all the other ex-soviet states. Accepting American sweets to allow weapons on their land is a mistake and will backfire on them sooner or later. America has no business poking its nose in the affairs of countries 3000 miles away. They should be sent packing where they belong from al lover the world. Till this happens there will be no peace which is exactly what they want as they can sell more weapons.
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