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[Get Real!]

And another thing:
There's a lot of propaganda going on, and I really expected the CF members to use their own logic to work out some easy stuff.
There have been 3 agreements so far, to cease fire in certain areas creating a safe corridor for civilians escorted by the Red Cross to evacuate some seized cities. All 3 so far failed, and the Western media accused the Russians for not abiding to the cease fire.

Spin up your brains guys. Could it ever be the fault of Russia? Russia WANTS the civilians to get out to minimize human live losses after she unleashes a full scale attack. Ukrainian forces DON'T want the civilians to leave, because knowing Russia's current Kid-glove approach, they need the civilians as a human shield.
So who violated the agreements the Russians or the Ukrainians? Like I said use your brains...

Yeah, it’ll be false flags galore for the Ukraine from now on…

[Londonrake]

Ukraine has been invaded by over 100,000 Russian troops. Currently, their major cities are effectively under siege, with a decision clearly having now been taken to flatten them. Much like Grozny and Aleppo. In the fog of war the number of dead is a matter of conjecture. Given the scale of the conflict though it will be quite significant.

Nobody cares how well the Ukrainians may or may not have fought… all that matters is the end result which only points in one direction.

They were dumb enough to waste many years of negotiating chances and opted to fight Russia so they can only blame themselves for their demise.

They didn't choose "to fight Russia" that would be suicidal (well...........) Russia invaded their country.

Yet - you talk about "the criminal west" and express contempt at the Ukrainians choosing to fight for their country. You perversely avoid the plain facts and - I find this mental contortion fascinating - act as though absolutely none of this is the fault of Russia at all. In fact, you sympathise with them. Certainly they have your full-blooded support. Plus, on several occasions you've shown a gleeful lust for this to escalate to the use of nuclear weapons.

Rejecting any further NATO bases on their doorstep is a legit Russian concern which I wholeheartedly agree with.

It was likely to be a very long time before Ukraine or Georgia joined NATO. It has to be a unanimous decision of all 30 countries and Germany at the very least certainly wasn't up for it. Yet now, due to these events, both Finland and Sweden, neutral countries for half a century, have made representations to NATO about membership. What's happening in Ukraine is the best advert for joining there could be. Another Putin blunder.

On multiple forums, over many years, I've never come across somebody with a mind like yours. A rare treasure.

Thanks.

You're welcome. And it's entirely true.

[Get Real!]

Putin’s concern is and has always been, SOVIET territory, not other nations in the vicinity who may want to join NATO.

Respect his TURF... that's all he's asking.

Russia has already lost swaths of soviet territory thanks to incompetent Russian clowns from the past like Yeltsin… after an enormous effort Putin has picked up the pieces and wants no more of that, and I understand it.

[Londonrake]

Putin’s concern is and has always been, SOVIET territory, not other nations in the vicinity who may want to join NATO.

Respect his TURF... that's all he's asking.

It isn't his turf. Anymore than any other sovereign country.

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1989. Countries which had been under the Russian boot for 50 years couldn't wait to joint NATO, in order to ensure they would never find themselves in that position again. Who could blame them? Current events prove what a good idea it was.

This isn't about competing political systems, like the good old days. It's pure and simple 19th century imperialism. "The Great Game" stuff.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ukraine has been invaded by over 100,000 Russian troops. Currently, their major cities are effectively under siege, with a decision clearly having now been taken to flatten them. Much like Grozny and Aleppo. In the fog of war the number of dead is a matter of conjecture. Given the scale of the conflict though it will be quite significant.

I completely agree. Unfortunately Putin is currently ordering full scale attack because his military is getting too slow with this Kid-Glove approach. It's clear the next step will be something like Aleppo, so I only hope the Ukrainians let the civilians get out.

Yet - you talk about "the criminal west" and express contempt at the Ukrainians choosing to fight for their country. You perversely avoid the plain facts and - I find this mental contortion fascinating - act as though absolutely none of this is the fault of Russia at all. In fact, you sympathise with them. Certainly they have your full-blooded support. Plus, on several occasions you've shown a gleeful lust for this to escalate to the use of nuclear weapons.

On multiple forums, over many years, I've never come across somebody with a mind like yours. A rare treasure.

[Get Real!]

Putin’s concern is and has always been, SOVIET territory, not other nations in the vicinity who may want to join NATO.

Respect his TURF... that's all he's asking.

It isn't his turf. Anymore than any other sovereign country.

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1989. Countries which had been under the Russian boot for 50 years couldn't wait to joint NATO, in order to ensure they would never find themselves in that position again. Who could blame them? Current events prove what a good idea it was.

This isn't about competing political systems, like the good old days. It's pure and simple 19th century imperialism. "The Great Game" stuff.

The Black sea and ports are as important as Florida’s bay… you don’t violate that and get away with it.

Ask the Americans…

Ukraine is NOT and never will be a “sovereign country”, I don’t know where you go that.

But, I should warn… those of you who want to argue the alleged “sovereignty” of the Ukraine had better start a new thread for it because we're gonna get into the deep shit. Thanks.

[Londonrake]

Interesting little aside. I don't normally have much truck with hackers but in this case:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/r ... 86412.html

Russian media of course being a beacon of truth and enlightenment. Unlike the evil, lying Western stuff (all umpteen thousand varieties of it).

A recent RT/Sputnik gem broadcast being about how the Ukrainians have been shelling their own people. "False Flags" apparently are flavour of the week.

Very reminiscent of how the Syrian rebels murdered hundreds of their own people with chemical weapons - to make Assad's squeaky-clean, righteous army look bad.

[miltiades]

Our resident Psycho will no doubt be feeling exuberant that Turkey isn't on the list of unfriendly to Russia nations. Understandably since the Psycho.might very well be half Turkish

[Londonrake]

Putin’s concern is and has always been, SOVIET territory, not other nations in the vicinity who may want to join NATO.

Respect his TURF... that's all he's asking.

It isn't his turf. Anymore than any other sovereign country.

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1989. Countries which had been under the Russian boot for 50 years couldn't wait to joint NATO, in order to ensure they would never find themselves in that position again. Who could blame them? Current events prove what a good idea it was.

This isn't about competing political systems, like the good old days. It's pure and simple 19th century imperialism. "The Great Game" stuff.

The Black sea and ports are as important as Florida’s bay… you don’t violate that and get away with it.

Who violated the Black sea ports?

Ask the Americans…

Florida's a US state. Sevastopol was in Crimea, which once upon a time was part of the country called Ukraine. What's your point?

Ukraine is NOT and never will be a “sovereign country”, I don’t know where you go that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty#:~:text=The%20Treaty%20on%20Friendship%2C%20Cooperation,for%20territorial%20integrity%20and%20mutual

"The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war........................."

From the man who recently brought you (several times actually) "We have no plans to invade Ukraine".

But, I should warn… those of you who want to argue the alleged “sovereignty” of the Ukraine had better start a new thread for it because we're gonna get into the deep shit. Thanks.

I think you will find that those who most want to argue about that are the 40 odd million population of Ukraine. You're welcome.

[Lordo]

If they have any sense, they would take the offer Putin is offering. Exclude Nato membership and give autonomy to the Russian speakers. That will solve it. There is no point in fighting a war you will be thrashed at.

Even go as far as disarm as it is the best way of not being attacked. It will give their economy a chance to recover and grow with no weapons, just like Japan and Germany did after WW2.