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[Robin Hood]

The problem is once an idiot is fooled it is hard for them to accept that they were an idiot. Why would anybody join the army unless they had to?

Come on .... be fair! It's a career choice just like any other.

At school when in the last year, I was just 16 and had to make a career choice. I wanted to be an airline pilot but my parents could not afford to pay for that career route so I decided to join the RAF as The Queen had more aero planes than anyone else.

Having signed up as an Apprentice, as I was too young to even think of going to Cranwell, I was working toward that goal but I had a medical at 18 when you sign on for the 12 year career, that showed I had a 'heart 'condition'! So even if I had one of the few that made it that far that put a stop to that long held ambition. I had the option of leaving or going into admin, it was technically know as being 'free as an indulgence'! I left!

My short career path in the RAF showed me just what I explained, that you are conditioned from day 1 that you are one very small part of a massive organisation and your views/opinions count for nothing. You take orders ...... the higher you get the more flexibility you get but no matter how high you get .......YOU ARE UNDER ORDERS.

I had to wait until 1987 to become a private pilot ...... and paid for it all myself ..... ended up with Night/IMC and Twin Rating but it all became far to expensive. but I still have my PPL and have flow in Cyprus a couple of times .... but with an flying instructor in the other seat!

As a relatively free thinker the idea people have to have opinions driven out and replaced with another when they are in the forces ..... is simple common sense and ..... as I said ..... it could not work any other way.

I have this question for you RH. Suppose someone is diagnosed with a slight medical problem, which excludes him from flying passenger planes. Does that exclude him from flying cargo planes as well?

I detect a loaded question? Any notifiable medical condition would preclude you from flying anything .... I would think?

I would however add that ..... my 'heart condition' has never been found in any other medical examination I have had. A month ago I had an MOT and passed with flying colours. Was I 'rejected' because I was not of the class as those that normally are chosen for Cranwell? After all I think Prince William went there .... so it is a POSH establishment! Couldn't have a south \London accented son of a beat Bobby in those posh officer ranks!

To answer your question ..... I don't really know but ..... a medical is a medical. Now if you were to question whether that applied to someone with mental problems still flying an aircraft, I suppose it would be a case of somebody noticing you were mental. When other pilots start refusing to fly with Paphitis because he starts making mistakes and they think he is 'Gung-Ho' and dangerous ........ then he would be put under investigation and re-assessed.

But we all know he is barmy ..... we don't need a shrink to tell us that!

[Pyrpolizer]

I detect a loaded question? Any notifiable medical condition would preclude you from flying anything .... I would think?

I would however add that ..... my 'heart condition' has never been found in any other medical examination I have had. A month ago I had an MOT and passed with flying colours. Was I 'rejected' because I was not of the class as those that normally are chosen for Cranwell? After all I think Prince William went there .... so it is a POSH establishment! Couldn't have a south \London accented son of a beat Bobby in those posh officer ranks!

To answer your question ..... I don't really know but ..... a medical is a medical. Now if you were to question whether that applied to someone with mental problems still flying an aircraft, I suppose it would be a case of somebody noticing you were mental. When other pilots start refusing to fly with Paphitis because he starts making mistakes and they think he is 'Gung-Ho' and dangerous ........ then he would be put under investigation and re-assessed.

But we all know he is barmy ..... we don't need a shrink to tell us that!

Earlier you were very clear regarding the path of your career, so no, nothing "loaded" in my question.
I just had this query for a long time, as I have a relative, an ex Cyprus Airways pilot, who was saying they found something in his Med exams, and was afraid he would be unemployed again. However he's still flying for a Greek carrier, doing cargo transportation.

Google was not very helpful regarding my query either:
https://www.flyingmag.com/guides/types- ... tificates/

As for Paphitis he is one of a kind living in a fantasy world. The best he can do is just go halfway close to the truth. Especially on matters that stimulate his desire for a Nato parade celebration. You should have seen him when Australia terminated it's deal with the French, and signed a new deal to get American nuclear Submarines to nullify "Chy-na".
The little poodle didn't even know that the deal was forced on them, by the British-American crooks, neither did he know it's totally humiliating terms.

[Lordo]

ErolZ got to the bottom of this about 4 years ago. I seem to remember he admitted it was all lies.


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[Londonrake]

Apologies for this not being on subject. Threads frequently digress of course though.

RH

Oops.

Again, a couple of days pass and pages of - mostly vitriolic it seems - posts.

It wasn't my intention to - metaphorically - throw a grenade in the room and then just wander off. Sorry about that.

My point was/is, your occasionally stated view about ex-Forces people being "brainwashed" (here in support of Kicks post, who I suspect knows zilch about the subject, it's just an attempt at a put-down) is based upon very limited experience of a small aspect of Service life. Moreover, not really a happy one, by your account. You're wrong though.

Nevertheless, you extrapolate, inferring all such people are in some way afflicted with the universal inability to think for themselves (outside the box? ). Which of course conveniently makes their views on any subject being discussed patronisingly blinkered (incidentally, just like anything offered from Western MSM). Cue sniggering laughs and much mutual back-patting.

Certain aspects of military recruit training (short-term induction, usually very small in comparison to professional training) are universal and always have been, throughout history. It doesn't mean though that all such people are brainwashed. The "system" isn't awash with the likes of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) and not all recruit training consists of the same demeaning process as the USMC. If you want a particular soldier that's the way to create one though. As far back perhaps as the Spartans. Few profited from fucking around with them, ask Xerxes.

Was I 'rejected' because I was not of the class as those that normally are chosen for Cranwell? After all I think Prince William went there .... so it is a POSH establishment! Couldn't have a south \London accented son of a beat Bobby in those posh officer ranks!

Sorry but that's complete nonsense. I did my 18 weeks at Cranwell and - apart from what was supposedly a relative of Hussein, among the Jordanian contingent - in what must have been well over 100 candidates, I never came across anybody that was remotely "Aristocratic". Far from it. On my flight of a dozen we had a couple of Jocks, a Geordie and 2 dyed-in-the-wool, deep accented, Yorkshiremen. I'm a devout Cockney. The Squadron varied from Warrant Officers, with 20+ years experience going for Engineering Officer, to kids who were literally straight off the street, out of Uni, hoping to end up as pilots. I don't know what the odds were they'd make it through the system to achieve that but they weren't particularly good. It's a very long road and I don't think you were "cheated". Getting your PPL was a commendable achievement but I can't see what it proved in that respect. It isn't by any means simply about the ability to poll an aircraft.

[Londonrake]

Pyro.

Perhaps you don't realise, but you tend to deal in what comes across as attempted, intimidating bully boy stuff. Do you think it works?

It's dead simple. You can try but ultimately can't have your cake and eat it. Either Ritter and Macgregor are "brainwashed", as it seems all ex-military are, or they're not. Ipso facto, perhaps it might be so that neither are the others. To argue otherwise is simple hypocrisy.

Despite your obfuscation there remains - after 3 weeks - on what I regard as the ridiculous suggestion by Clayton Morriss, on Redacted, that the Russian Defence Ministry claim hundreds of top Ukranian and NATO military were wiped out in a bunker near Kyiv - not a shred of supporting evidence from a credible source. I was earlier open to any such but it seems the claim is total bollocks and - NATO it isn't quite finished yet. Despite the fact it really has yet to arrive in the Ukrainian conflict.

Earlier, the so-called Pentagon papers were being contemptuously denounced in here as an amature attempt at disinformation. It seems, much like the Western MSM, some parts of it are acceptable, some not.

Paphitis is no more my "poodle" than Kicks/RH is yours (or vice-versa). My view - sorry to bore - is that what Putin has done in Ukraine is abhorrent. Despite all the propaganda BS, there's absolutely no justification for it and to "cheerleader" (your expression) such- particularly from a comfortable, remote location in the West - is morally reprehensible. Whilst I support Ukraine's struggle I am not as "Gung-Ho" as Paphitis.

I do think you overdo the "bitch" thing. That's all they're locking on to. It tends to detract from the many hard-hitting points you make about the conflict................... Just sayin'

[Kikapu]

Paphitis is no more my "poodle" than Kicks/RH is yours (or vice-versa).

Watch yourself, LR!

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[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro.

Perhaps you don't realise, but you tend to deal in what comes across as attempted, intimidating bully boy stuff. Do you think it works?

Here we go again, another persona analysis. Give me an example to substantiate your claim.-->

It's dead simple. You can try but ultimately can't have your cake and eat it. Either Ritter and Macgregor are "brainwashed", as it seems all ex-military are, or they're not. Ipso facto, perhaps it might be so that neither are the others. To argue otherwise is simple hypocrisy.

Oh here's your example, ending with your favorite characterization "hypocrisy". Hey dude, show me where did I ever claim that ex/or currently serving military people are all brainwashed. So sorry but once again you seem.... confused .

Despite your obfuscation there remains - after 3 weeks - on what I regard as the ridiculous suggestion by Clayton Morriss, on Redacted, that the Russian Defence Ministry claim hundreds of top Ukranian and NATO military were wiped out in a bunker near Kyiv - not a shred of supporting evidence from a credible source. I was earlier open to any such but it seems the claim is total bollocks and - NATO it isn't quite finished yet. Despite the fact it really has yet to arrive in the Ukrainian conflict.

Like I said the Russian MoD is an absolutely credible source. Just take my advice and stop looking for "credible" sources in Western media concerning such sensitive issues. Remember when a long time ago, I told you the Russian MoD said they were in the process of modifying Belarus'es war planes to carry nukes, and you wouldn't beleive it because there was nothing in any "credible source"? Well, eventually, after so many months, the "credible sources" had no other choice but to let it out, when this "old news" was all over the place, after Putin's and Lukashenko's joined statement.

Earlier, the so-called Pentagon papers were being contemptuously denounced in here as an amature attempt at disinformation. It seems, much like the Western MSM, some parts of it are acceptable, some not.

They have NOT been contemptuously denounced in here. Confused.... again???

Paphitis is no more my "poodle" than Kicks/RH is yours (or vice-versa).

Really? When did I ever looked forward for anyone's "special way of dealing with things", instead of doing it myself, like you do with Paphitis? Count the number of times you did that. Probably once every 2 posts, especially in the last few weeks.


My view - sorry to bore - is that what Putin has done in Ukraine is abhorrent. Despite all the propaganda BS, there's absolutely no justification for it and to "cheerleader" (your expression) such- particularly from a comfortable, remote location in the West - is morally reprehensible. Whilst I support Ukraine's struggle I am not as "Gung-Ho" as Paphitis. I do think you overdo the "bitch" thing. That's all they're locking on to. It tends to detract from the many hard-hitting points you make about the conflict................... Just sayin'

You are always entitled to your opinion, just like myself when opining 100% in favor of Mother Russia.

[Pyrpolizer]

ErolZ got to the bottom of this about 4 years ago. I seem to remember he admitted it was all lies.


https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47041-90.html?hilit=pilot%20license%20oxford#p886083

I was there too, when he said he graduated THE Oxford, and Erolz nailed the flamboyant liar.

[Robin Hood]

Boy ..... do you waffle!

My point was/is, your occasionally stated view about ex-Forces people being "brainwashed" is based upon very limited experience of a small aspect of Service life. Moreover, not really a happy one, by your account. You're wrong though.

My point is/was and stated for brevity rather than making it into a thesis, as the ‘brainwashing’ process ....... also called Coercive Persuasion. A systematic effort to persuade nonbelievers to accept a certain allegiance, command, or doctrine. A colloquial term, it is more generally applied to any technique designed to manipulate human thought or action against the desire, will, or knowledge of the individual ............ applies to any such organisation with a similar structure, such as the police.

If you don’t think that term applies .... that is your choice.

Nevertheless, ...... blah, blah, blah ......... back-patting.

More waffle

Certain aspects of military recruit training ...... more blah. Blah. Blah, blah ........back perhaps as the Spartans. Few profited from fucking around with them, ask Xerxes.

Robin Hood wrote: Was I 'rejected' because I was not of the class as those that normally are chosen for Cranwell? After all I think Prince William went there .... so it is a POSH establishment! Couldn't have a south \London accented son of a beat Bobby in those posh officer ranks!

I agree, most unlikely but it does happen! That is why it was a question not a statement of fact! We knew a brilliant young Cypriot lady who got into Oxford. They made her life misery with the put-downs. She left Oxford, went to another University ..... and is now at the highest levels of management in International Bankng.

Sorry but that's complete nonsense. ........................................... It's a very long road and I don't think you were "cheated".

Getting your PPL was a commendable achievement but I can't see what it proved in that respect. It isn't by any means simply about the ability to poll an aircraft.

Any reasonably competent person can fly an aero plane. Our daughter at the age of 15 took off and landed several times ........... she had control and I had no need to step in at the last moment.

IMC rating is different ..... you need to understand a lot more about the procedures and how all the navigation aids are used. But as an instrument engineer it was the ‘blind’ flying/navigation that fascinated me. I used to ‘FLY’ into various airfields on the PC using instruments ..... and never crashed! I also did three take offs and landings in a 747 Simulator at HR in 1997, whilst waiting to go to the project in Saudi.

I had one memorable flight, courtesy Cathay Pacific, from Manchester to Frankfurt in the jockey seat between the Captain and First Officer. Gate to gate and ...... as the captain said ....... “All you need to do is twiddle the two knobs ‘SPEED” and ‘HEADING when ATC tell you to ....... it will even land itself! But we have to do something to justify our salaries!”

[Kikapu]

It's dead simple. You can try but ultimately can't have your cake and eat it. Either Ritter and Macgregor are "brainwashed", as it seems all ex-military are, or they're not. Ipso facto, perhaps it might be so that neither are the others. To argue otherwise is simple hypocrisy.
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No, it is not dead simple as it is not always a black & white thing, which you have a habit of making everything into a binary when it suits you whilst ignoring the Grey areas which the war in Ukraine is a perfect example, it being mostly Grey areas.

Ritter and MacGregor go for the Grey areas where a lot of the truth lies in this war unlike the majority in the West are blindly following the propaganda BS based on half truths to lies fed to them by their so called “Democratic” governments, whom denying the truth to be told on major news outlets in the collective West.

If what Ritter and MacGregor has to say is not correct in most of the topics they talk about on alternative news sources, why are they then not invited on any of the collective West’s major news media to challenge them on what they say all the time on the internet regarding the war in Ukraine, but the collective West is always ready to give Nazi praising Zelensky a platform on many forums to prolong this war?

That was a rhetorical question by the way.

If anyone is destroying Ukraine and it’s population, it is the collective West and the poodle Zelensky, for them not abiding by the 2014 Minsk agreements, which they had all signed but not ratified. Russian invasion was to get Zelensky to sign those agreements and the last opportunity was given to him early on after the invasion by Russia. Now Russia has taken control of their own destiny when it comes to Ukraine, which is, my way or the highway to the collective West and the Nazi praising poodle Zelensky and to those who blindly support Ukraine no matter what.