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[Londonrake]

Wow! Take a day off and..................

That's like a 1000 word anger-fest (please form an orderly queue). With a liberal sprinkling of ad-hominem for good measure. I note, the likes of Ritter and Mcgregor don't qualify as ex-military brainwashed. Funny ole fing. Do give it a rest.

To focus on the core of my Thermopylae pass stand:

The Morriss/Redacted statement - and has so much ever been made of so little - was that after an alleged Ukrainian terrorist attack on a Russian border town - which in itself seems incongruous. Ukrainians supposedly attack a Russian town, killing a number of people, and it's a "terrorist" event. Half a million Russians invade Ukraine - killing thousands, flattening whole towns and raining munitions down on its cities, with millions forced to flee the country - and its a terror-free "special military operation".

Anyway, the idea that hundreds of top level Ukranians and NATO people were killed in a missile attack on a command bunker near Kyiv, resulting as Clayton claims in "NATO is finished!" could, after several weeks, not result in even the slightest hint, due to some all-encompassing control over the entirety of every aspect of Western media, of its occurring is beyond risible. I mean, does anybody really believe it actually happened? No families, friends, colleagues of such an important group of people has come forward to say anything? Come on guys. It's total BS. And, FWIW, NATO obviously isn't "finished" in fact it's considerably larger and more coalesced than back in its fragmenting days of 2021. Another Putin miscalculation.

If you think Shoigu's Ministry of Defence is a credible source of information all hope of rational discussion surely founders? Last September the man claimed - with an admirably straight face - the total Russian death toll in Ukraine was 5937. Even that great Russian Evangelist GR found it funny. If you believe such it's clearly because you want to and I suggest points to your being receptive to believing anything that comes out of the Russian media machine. And - it's you guys that post pro-Russian links almost daily. There's definitely no shortage. Conversely, I don't think you've seen very many offering an opposing view from me over a long period.

Sorry to disappoint, not addressing the many issues raised by you good people. I could spend my life - sort of thing. Can we agree though to keep it civilised? I know, I know, but Lordo is a sort of "special military operation" thing to me.

I'm imagine Paphitis will be dropping by soon, to keep the ole blood pressure up.

[repulsewarrior]

...Xi and Zelenskyy speak on the phone for an hour.

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-x ... MAIL_ID%5D

[Londonrake]

It appears that those who have served in the military before are the same people who buy into the Western propaganda bullshit on Ukraine (NATO)/Russia war.

It must be they were exposed to some kind of brainwashing whilst they were serving!

If you think about it, it cannot be any other way! How else would you get thousands of troops to do things that as individuals they would not do?

The first few weeks in the military is used to break you down to realise you are a nobody and the last thing they want to hear is your opinion on anything. You take orders and respond without questioning those orders. So once they have taken all the 'rubbish' out of our brain ..... they then replace it with their rubbish.

But it is not just the military! It happens to the police and in a lesser way anyone, like a civil servant for instance, who has been told they have power over others. They become convinced they know every thing and get really annoyed when someone questions them and points out their errors.

Over many years that's a disappointing slur you've periodically come up with. Although, I don't believe I've once made a derogatory remark about your career. Not only that, you've even taken aim at my Wife, albeit indirectly, upon occasions. Service Wives it seems are invariably of the loud-mouthed slag type. Both manifestations of ridiculous stereotyping.

Your experience of the Forces was short-lived and when you were very young. You seem to have borne a lifelong grudge though at your failure to be accepted as a candidate for pilot. IIRC for medical reasons? Although, did it not give you the opportunity to gain an HNC? Which served you well in later life? Perhaps I'm wrong. It's been a while.

I met a lot of incredible, very bright people in the Army/RAF. The picture you tend to paint couldn't be further from the truth. Conversely, in my 20 years working in the civilian world I've met quite a few idiots and assholes. Nothing's that black and white.

Anyway. Why all the abuse? You know if I do the same where it ends up.

[repulsewarrior]

Russia begins its month long Chairpersonship at the Security Council.

[Pyrpolizer]

Wow! Take a day off and..................

That's like a 1000 word anger-fest (please form an orderly queue). With a liberal sprinkling of ad-hominem for good measure. I note, the likes of Ritter and Mcgregor don't qualify as ex-military brainwashed. Funny ole fing. Do give it a rest.

For your information Ritter admitted 10s of times that he joined the military to kill Russians. He had that passion until he was appointed an Inspector, and had to interact with them to get his job done... McGregor on the other hand (4, 5, ? star retired General ) ended up a military advisor to US Gvnt. You can't be a good military advisor if you are biased and tell nonsense. The man tells things the way they actually are. That the Ukrainians are getting slaughtered, they are running out of ammunition etc etc. This doesn't mean he is pro-Russian, he just tells thing as they are. Someone who is clearly NOT pro Russia is Tony Schaffer. Go to his channel and see what he says. He says the same things as McGregor...

To focus on the core of my Thermopylae pass stand:

The Morriss/Redacted statement - and has so much ever been made of so little - was that after an alleged Ukrainian terrorist attack on a Russian border town - which in itself seems incongruous. Ukrainians supposedly attack a Russian town, killing a number of people, and it's a "terrorist" event. Half a million Russians invade Ukraine - killing thousands, flattening whole towns and raining munitions down on its cities, with millions forced to flee the country - and its a terror-free "special military operation".

Anyway, the idea that hundreds of top level Ukranians and NATO people were killed in a missile attack on a command bunker near Kyiv, resulting as Clayton claims in "NATO is finished!" could, after several weeks, not result in even the slightest hint, due to some all-encompassing control over the entirety of every aspect of Western media, of its occurring is beyond risible. I mean, does anybody really believe it actually happened? No families, friends, colleagues of such an important group of people has come forward to say anything? Come on guys. It's total BS.

Are you really that naive? Are the families having a trade Union or something? Are they getting informed where exactly their ONE AND ONLY relative is stationed? Assuming they are top Nato officials, what makes you think they have not already signed documents falsifying their location just in case something would go wrong? Eventually each family received a letter and a coffin that their relative died on duty, and that's it. And every family would just think it was just only their own loved one, in some Nato military exercise. So yes it's quite easy to hide it, considering their presence in a Nato bunker, was kept "secret" on the first place.



If you think Shoigu's Ministry of Defence is a credible source of information all hope of rational discussion surely founders? Last September the man claimed - with an admirably straight face - the total Russian death toll in Ukraine was 5937.

It's not a matter of what you believe, it's a matter of facts. Go read the leaked Pentagon documents. (Oh sorry I forgot you don't have a clue of what they contain...) The kill ratio in those documents is reported as 1 Russian to 7 Ukrainians. Back then the Ukrainian casualties (dead & wounded) were estimated to 200K, which matches up.

Even that great Russian Evangelist GR found it funny. If you believe such it's clearly because you want to and I suggest points to your being receptive to believing anything that comes out of the Russian media machine. And - it's you guys that post pro-Russian links almost daily. There's definitely no shortage. Conversely, I don't think you've seen very many offering an opposing view from me over a long period.

Sorry to disappoint, not addressing the many issues raised by you good people. I could spend my life - sort of thing. Can we agree though to keep it civilised? I know, I know, but Lordo is a sort of "special military operation" thing to me.

I'm imagine Paphitis will be dropping by soon, to keep the ole blood pressure up.

I notice you quite often look forward for your little poodle to show up. But this poodle is totally brainless... I guess it's a matter of no other choice for a forum companion .....

[Pyrpolizer]

...Xi and Zelenskyy speak on the phone for an hour.

After one month of Xi not answering the phone, either to his or to Biden's calls.

Notice once again the Western MSM disinformation making it look like it's Xi who called ZelenSKY, and not the other way round, by saying

-->>Xi was making his first call to Zelenskyy more than 400 days into the Russian war against Ukraine

[Kikapu]

It appears that those who have served in the military before are the same people who buy into the Western propaganda bullshit on Ukraine (NATO)/Russia war.

It must be they were exposed to some kind of brainwashing whilst they were serving!

If you think about it, it cannot be any other way! How else would you get thousands of troops to do things that as individuals they would not do?

The first few weeks in the military is used to break you down to realise you are a nobody and the last thing they want to hear is your opinion on anything. You take orders and respond without questioning those orders. So once they have taken all the 'rubbish' out of our brain ..... they then replace it with their rubbish.

But it is not just the military! It happens to the police and in a lesser way anyone, like a civil servant for instance, who has been told they have power over others. They become convinced they know every thing and get really annoyed when someone questions them and points out their errors.

Yes, you have explained it well RH.

Still, there needs to be some free thinking by keeping an open mind than swallowing BS continually, even when it does not make sense to do so, especially from those claiming to be well read of most news out there from different sources.

[Lordo]

The problem is once an idiot is fooled it is hard for them to accept that they were an idiot. Why would anybody join the army unless they had to?

[Robin Hood]

The problem is once an idiot is fooled it is hard for them to accept that they were an idiot. Why would anybody join the army unless they had to?

Come on .... be fair! It's a career choice just like any other.

At school when in the last year, I was just 16 and had to make a career choice. I wanted to be an airline pilot but my parents could not afford to pay for that career route so I decided to join the RAF as The Queen had more aero planes than anyone else.

Having signed up as an Apprentice, as I was too young to even think of going to Cranwell, I was working toward that goal but I had a medical at 18 when you sign on for the 12 year career, that showed I had a 'heart 'condition'! So even if I had one of the few that made it that far that put a stop to that long held ambition. I had the option of leaving or going into admin, it was technically know as being 'free as an indulgence'! I left!

My short career path in the RAF showed me just what I explained, that you are conditioned from day 1 that you are one very small part of a massive organisation and your views/opinions count for nothing. You take orders ...... the higher you get the more flexibility you get but no matter how high you get .......YOU ARE UNDER ORDERS.

I had to wait until 1987 to become a private pilot ...... and paid for it all myself ..... ended up with Night/IMC and Twin Rating but it all became far to expensive. but I still have my PPL and have flow in Cyprus a couple of times .... but with an flying instructor in the other seat!

As a relatively free thinker the idea people have to have opinions driven out and replaced with another when they are in the forces ..... is simple common sense and ..... as I said ..... it could not work any other way.

[Paphitis]

The problem is once an idiot is fooled it is hard for them to accept that they were an idiot. Why would anybody join the army unless they had to?

Come on .... be fair! It's a career choice just like any other.

At school when in the last year, I was just 16 and had to make a career choice. I wanted to be an airline pilot but my parents could not afford to pay for that career route so I decided to join the RAF as The Queen had more aero planes than anyone else.

Having signed up as an Apprentice, as I was too young to even think of going to Cranwell, I was working toward that goal but I had a medical at 18 when you sign on for the 12 year career, that showed I had a 'heart 'condition'! So even if I had one of the few that made it that far that put a stop to that long held ambition. I had the option of leaving or going into admin, it was technically know as being 'free as an indulgence'! I left!

My short career path in the RAF showed me just what I explained, that you are conditioned from day 1 that you are one very small part of a massive organisation and your views/opinions count for nothing. You take orders ...... the higher you get the more flexibility you get but no matter how high you get .......YOU ARE UNDER ORDERS.

I had to wait until 1987 to become a private pilot ...... and paid for it all myself ..... ended up with Night/IMC and Twin Rating but it all became far to expensive. but I still have my PPL and have flow in Cyprus a couple of times .... but with an flying instructor in the other seat!

As a relatively free thinker the idea people have to have opinions driven out and replaced with another when they are in the forces ..... is simple common sense and ..... as I said ..... it could not work any other way.

No you didn't end up with a night/IMC rating. No such thing.

There is a NIGHT VFR Rating but no Night IMC Rating. And a night VFR Rating only allows you to fly at night under VFR Flight Conditions, not IFR or IMC conditions. All you are allowed to do is navigate with visual reference at night, and all you are trained to do is keep he aircraft upright by scanning your instruments and that is about it. If you flew into IMC, you would be a dead man just like JFKs little brother.

To have an IMC Rating at night, you need an IMC Rating for day. In fact, just an IMC Rating automatically becomes a NIGHT IMC with only 3 take offs and landings per 90 days at night. That's how it works. IMC Rating btw is an Instrument Rating - allows you to fly in IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions) and entitles you to carry out Instrument approaches such as:

1) ILS/GLS Approaches,
2) DME Arc/ILS/GLS Approaches,
3) VOR (VHF Omni-directional Approaches,
4) RNAV Approaches,
5) GPS Approaches or Arrivals,
6) NDB - Non Directional Approaches,
7) SIDs - Standard Instrument Departures straight into IMC,
8. STARs _ Standard Arrivals, in IMC
9) Radar Departues - same as a SID but with Radar Assigned Vectors

If you flew in to IMC, you wouldn't be alive today because you would have killed yourself.

Flying in IMC is no joke. Imagine scuba diving at night in the ocean in bitch black darkness - you don't know where up or down is, left from right unless you have been adequately trained.

You did not have a NIGHT/IMC rating.

Secondly, you don't join the military and expect the right to exercise of your free will when given orders that are lawful and handed down from the chain. There is a chain of command for good reason and there is also a chain on all flightdecks and ships and so on. There has to be order and control, as well as respect and discipline. Otherwise, can you imagine the chaos. We see it with the Ruzzians because their entire chain of command is breaking down. You will NEVER see this with NATO forces, or the UK Military.

Reason why, is because you actually respect your superiors knowing that your superiors will walk with you every step of the way, and will never tell you to do something that they have not done or consider doing themselves. They lead by example.