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[Londonrake]

Take 9/11 and WTC7 ...... and apply Newtons Laws of motion and it simply cannot happen as officially described! But YOU would never accept that because NEWTON would be a conspiracy theorist as far as you are concerned.

Whataboutery mode engaged.

I'm disappointed and upset.

To say I regarded the idea "W" authorised blowing up the twin towers - murdering 3500 people in Manhattan - to provide an excuse for the US to spend $1.6 trillion dollars on an 8 year war, which gave the Iranian controlled Shia Iraq's oil, as a bonkers conspiracy theory is well below the belt.

[Lordo]

Alternate realities.

Conspiracy.jpg

Ha Ha HA ...... if the lecturer is a Russian ........ cartoon 2 applies! If he is one of the western good guys .......... the cartoon 2 is all conspiracy theory!

I have always tried to stick to facts You should try it!

Take 9/11 and WTC7 ...... and apply Newtons Laws of motion and it simply cannot happen as officially described! But YOU would never accept that because NEWTON would be a conspiracy theorist as far as you are concerned.

What has Newton's Law of Motion got to do with 9/11. There was one mistake in the design of the twin towers which caused the collapse of the buildings. The fire retardant was of the type that could be blown away in an exposition. Clearly they were not designed for an aircraft to fly into them and explode with a ball of fire. It was then a matter of time before the steel beams would be weakened by the fire to collapse with the load of the floors above. Once one went down to the next floor down, that became overloaded and so on. This is an established fact. The supposed explosion people heard was the snapping of steel beams.

[Pyrpolizer]

What's the nuclear technology the Americans placed in ZNPP??
Also note the degree of disinformation from Western Media. While the Ukrainians constantly shell the factory risking causing a new Chernobil, the article says:
The plant has frequently been disconnected from Ukraine’s power grid due to intense Russian shelling in the area, raising fears across Europe of a nuclear accident.

http://www.cnnphilippines.com/world/202 ... plant.html


Credit due to Duran's Alex Christoforou video here:
Topic starts at ~ the 15' timeline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJbzRPMJYU

I thought the ZNPP was a Russian design and construction?

I agree with your other comments ...... it would be obvious to most people that the last people to try and shell the ZNPP would be the Russians?

Yes it is Russian design and construction like everything else in Ukraine. Fact is ever since the Ukro-nazi- top corrupt 'State" became independent, has built absolutely nothing of it's own..

Bear in mind that spent Uranium 235-fuel from a NPP can be used to extract plutonium which can then be enriched to military grade (in another plant) to produce nuclear weapons. I suspect the American technology placed in there, has something to do with this process.

Notice also that the article is not correct in saying that the plant is operated by Ukrainian personnel. It was in the beginning but later replaced by Russian specialists.

[Pyrpolizer]

Alternate realities.

Conspiracy.jpg

Ha Ha HA ...... if the lecturer is a Russian ........ cartoon 2 applies! If he is one of the western good guys .......... the cartoon 2 is all conspiracy theory!

I have always tried to stick to facts You should try it!

Take 9/11 and WTC7 ...... and apply Newtons Laws of motion and it simply cannot happen as officially described! But YOU would never accept that because NEWTON would be a conspiracy theorist as far as you are concerned.

What has Newton's Law of Motion got to do with 9/11. There was one mistake in the design of the twin towers which caused the collapse of the buildings. The fire retardant was of the type that could be blown away in an exposition. Clearly they were not designed for an aircraft to fly into them and explode with a ball of fire. It was then a matter of time before the steel beams would be weakened by the fire to collapse with the load of the floors above. Once one went down to the next floor down, that became overloaded and so on. This is an established fact. The supposed explosion people heard was the snapping of steel beams.

I think he was talking about building 7, which was 100m away from the other 2.
The Americans said it became unstable so they demolished it.

[Londonrake]

I think he was talking about building 7, which was 100m away from the other 2.
The Americans said it became unstable so they demolished it.

We all tend to wander off thread now and again. Usually slightly, which I think is forgivable. This though clearly has SFA to do with what's going on in Ukraine.

So be it though.

It was a long time ago. 22 years. So excuse any details I may get wrong.

RH latched on to a university study (Alaska IIRC) which called into question the way WTC 7 collapsed in such a uniform manner. Complete with "proof" (revolving around Newton's laws) concluding that it was carried out using precision, controlled explosives. Ipso facto, the whole saga was a US government "false flag" (how we have come to love that term) incident.

The US didn't demolish WTC7. The building collapsed, after burning for 7 hours, post the twin towers attacks (which half the planet witnessed).

https://www.nist.gov/pao/questions-and- ... estigation ............... read it or not.

I have my own conspiracy theory.

A Saudi billionaire, with an anti-US agenda, was allowed by the Taliban to live and act freely in Afghanistan. He amassed, and had trained, a private army there which carried out numerous attacks against US targets globally. As part of a complex plan (there are many supporting videos, including his gloating at the results of 9/11) 4 teams were trained and inserted into the US with the objective of attacking iconic targets. The Twin Towers, Pentagon and (presumed) the White House. The first 3 were successful. The last failing, after the passengers on flight 93 voted to revolt and - knowing it would seal their fates - attack the hijackers. God bless those brave souls. As a result the aircraft ended up crashing into a field in Pennsylvania, killing all on board.

This is the essence of RH's attack on me regarding my not "sticking to facts".

As always, you will make up your own minds.

[Robin Hood]

As you say this thread has drifted ….. mainly because of silly posts like yours. Those that actually make comments that are valid you either ignore and then divert the thread to an irrelevance, or make comments based on your opinions of them and their opinions. Then you get all upset when they respond in a similar manner.

This thread has sod all to do with Pythagorus, Newton or 9/11, but try to explain what happened in Ukraine based on historic fact, just meets with belittling and snide remarks and ridicule from you. You are always right and, apart from Paphis, everyone else is a moron. I am sure I am not the only one that see’s that.

Getting back to the 'Ukraine Issue' .........Try going back to 1991 when the USSR collapsed and the Russian Federation that replaced it, gave ALL the regions/countries their release from Russian domination. Just like the Americans, English and French did in Europe …… oh hang on a minute, they are still there! How strange is that?

So as I suggested try sticking just to the facts that led up to a civil uprising in Ukraine in 2014, a genocidal war that killed 14.000 ….. and a rather different picture evolves to the one you promote. AND NO ……. It is NOT Russian propaganda, facts are facts! Full stop.

Let me give you an example ….. what about the OSCE Reports on the Ukraine conflict from 9-10th Feb 2022 up to 22nd Feb 2022 …. when the monitoring reports stopped? It always amuses me when Western ‘experts’ claim Russia’s response to Kyiv’s OSCE recorded escalation of the attacks on Donbas, ten days before Russia’s response, was as an ‘…..unprovoked attack on Ukraine”! The facts from an internationally recognized OSCE monitoring agency are then conveniently ignored.

Anyway, I am wasting my time trying to explain this to you, it’s a pointless exercise in frustration.

[Robin Hood]

LORDO.
Your knowledge of the subject has a few holes in it. If you would like to start a 9/11 thread I would be happy to discuss why! But, in brief ......

What has Newton's Law of Motion got to do with 9/11.

Everything ..... when related to the collapse!

There was one mistake in the design of the twin towers which caused the collapse of the buildings. The fire retardant was of the type that could be blown away in an explosion.

Of little importance! The fires in all THREE building displayed all the signs poor combustion and all were starved of fuel/air. The steel never got hot enough to weaken to the point it would collapse. There were people standing in the opening ..... so not that hot, eh?

Clearly they were not designed for an aircraft to fly into them and explode with a ball of fire.

But they were! They were designed to survive impact from a fully loaded Boing 707 at cruise speed, which is around 350Knts. Some 80% of the jet fuel exploded (the fireballs) outside the two towers. The fire damage from the rest of the fuel was short lived and had little effect 2-3 minutes after impact. Most of that fuel left in the towers followed Newton’s laws and went down the centre of the towers ..... burning off as it decended.

It was then a matter of time before the steel beams would be weakened by the fire to collapse with the load of the floors above.

Even if that were true, which it isn’t, any weakening would have been asymmetrical. Newton says a mass falling under gravity will take the line of least resistance. Both Towers would have toppled sideways as they failed at the weakest point!

Once one went down to the next floor down, that became overloaded and so on.

Not true! Firstly, the ‘Pancake theory’ was disproved very early on in the investigation. The floors were comprised of light concrete 4" thick, poured on corrugated steell sheets and just shattered when stressed. Hence the dense white dust that covered New York. Secondly, again Newton ...... every impact would remove kinetic energy and the acceleration would decrease ...... it didn’t! Videos show it was accelerating at near enough free fall acceleration.

This is an established fact. The supposed explosion people heard was the snapping of steel beams.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I am afraid NONE of it is established fact!

Here ends 9/11's relevance in the Ukraine conflict..... which is zero!

[Robin Hood]

Take 9/11 and WTC7 ...... and apply Newtons Laws of motion and it simply cannot happen as officially described! But YOU would never accept that because NEWTON would be a conspiracy theorist as far as you are concerned.

Whataboutery mode engaged.

I'm disappointed and upset.

To say I regarded the idea "W" authorised blowing up the twin towers - murdering 3500 people in Manhattan - to provide an excuse for the US to spend $1.6 trillion dollars on an 8 year war, which gave the Iranian controlled Shia Iraq's oil, as a bonkers conspiracy theory is well below the belt.

If you knew anything about the mechanics, of the Towers and WTC7 ..... there is actually a very sound theory and some evidence to explain the 'explosive scenario' and once again the fact are there that says it was a perfectly feasible explanation ...... and it has nothing to do with terrorism or conspiracy ...... maybe ' Uberimae Fidei and a conspiracy to defraud' is the best way to explain! But it IS just a theory.

[Londonrake]

As you say this thread has drifted ….. mainly because of silly posts like yours. Those that actually make comments that are valid you either ignore and then divert the thread to an irrelevance, or make comments based on your opinions of them and their opinions. Then you get all upset when they respond in a similar manner.

This thread has sod all to do with Pythagorus, Newton or 9/11, but try to explain what happened in Ukraine based on historic fact, just meets with belittling and snide remarks and ridicule from you. You are always right and, apart from Paphis, everyone else is a moron. I am sure I am not the only one that see’s that.

Getting back to the 'Ukraine Issue' .........Try going back to 1991 when the USSR collapsed and the Russian Federation that replaced it, gave ALL the regions/countries their release from Russian domination. Just like the Americans, English and French did in Europe …… oh hang on a minute, they are still there! How strange is that?

So as I suggested try sticking just to the facts that led up to a civil uprising in Ukraine in 2014, a genocidal war that killed 14.000 ….. and a rather different picture evolves to the one you promote. AND NO ……. It is NOT Russian propaganda, facts are facts! Full stop.

Let me give you an example ….. what about the OSCE Reports on the Ukraine conflict from 9-10th Feb 2022 up to 22nd Feb 2022 …. when the monitoring reports stopped? It always amuses me when Western ‘experts’ claim Russia’s response to Kyiv’s OSCE recorded escalation of the attacks on Donbas, ten days before Russia’s response, was as an ‘…..unprovoked attack on Ukraine”! The facts from an internationally recognized OSCE monitoring agency are then conveniently ignored.

Anyway, I am wasting my time trying to explain this to you, it’s a pointless exercise in frustration.

Look. Calm down. I sincerely have absolutely no desire to get back into all this - yet again.

I don't understand what you mean by "silly posts".

I politely replied to your comment about Russian spy ships. Instead of leaving it at that you persisted, indignantly claiming I'd ignored the gist of your post. So be it. I gave you my views on your bunker busting theory. You didn't like them of course, although there's been no subsequent reasoned response on the matter from you.

I don't think it hurts to now and then add a light hearted cartoon/joke. I posted one on something I've said a few times recently. That some of us inhabit different realities wrt Ukraine events. I see 200,000 Russian troops - subsequently beefed up by 300,000 reservists - invading Ukraine and killing thousands of civilians, laying waste to the country etc, etc. You and others see something entirely different.

When it comes to diverting to an irrelevance it was you who introduced 9/11 - completely out of the blue (bad pun). FWIW - as an insult. I have not insulted you, unless disagreeing with some of your views qualifies. In that respect, a bit of satire and sarcasm are accepted tools in political discussion. Personal slights/abuse are not. Unless in response to same. You started the former.

I agree, I am not of course always right but then, neither are you. IMHO your Redacted video post isn't "fact". It's just Clayton Morris doing nothing more than parroting the Russian Defence Ministry's claims with lashings of dramatic, unsubstantiated elaboration. I can't see how such a seismic event could go completely without comment by anybody, anywhere, unless you buy into the view there's somebody/thing exercising absolute control over the myriad of western media. Paranoia. That's my view. And of course - we are all entitled.

Really - what do you want? The unfettered and unopposed freedom to broadcast your opinions to an admiring few without any opposition? If so, you have at least one good friend in here. Just dispose of me and Paphitis and the dream comes true. The 4 of you (well three and a half) can bask in mutual admiration.

I was kind of hoping to repair a few fences. Disagreeing with you on any of your forum views clearly isn't the way to go about it.

[Robin Hood]

Just for you LR ..........

Why the Media Don’t Want to Know the Truth About the Nord Stream Blasts JONATHAN COOK • APRIL 11, 2023

No one but the terminally naïve should be surprised that security services lie – and that they are all but certain to cover their tracks when they carry out operations that either violate domestic or international law or that would be near-universally rejected by their own populations.

Which is reason enough why anyone following the fallout from explosions last September that ripped holes in three of the four Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea supplying Russian gas to Europe should be wary of accepting anything Western agencies have to say on the matter.

In fact, the only thing that Western publics should trust is the consensus among “investigators” that the three simultaneous blasts deep underwater on the pipelines – a fourth charge apparently failed to detonate – were sabotage, not some freak coincidental accident.

You must watch the first video ........ in case it misses you .... it’s all Russian propaganda!

https://www.unz.com/jcook/why-the-media-dont-want-to-know-the-truth-about-the-nord-stream-blasts/