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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:19 pm

The Ukrainian invasion or however you may want to cal it… will result in Russia killing two birds with one stone!

First, they will have removed all American influence and NATO threats from this very important piece of soviet territory and Black sea ports, and second…

Once the Ukrainian resistance capitulates don't be surprised if Putin rejects Ukrainian self determination.

He has already gone over budget and spilled too much blood while the foolish Ukrainian regime played games till the very end, so his demands for surrender will most likely increase and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ukraine loses statehood outright.

Russia cannot take any more risks with the Ukraine… there can never be a repeat of this debacle, but more importantly he is now alerted to a new important commodity coming under Russian control...

Russian + Ukrainian grains… the world’s two largest grain exporters to be combined into a new global front!

To the victor go the spoils, and who would blame him? He will have earned it.

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Btw, one thing I forgot to mention is that as we near the end don’t be surprised if the desperate Ukrainians attempt a major false flag. Whether it’s a strike on a nuclear power plant or whether it’s a slaughter of fleeing civilians remains to be seen, but the danger of this happening remains great.

The fools will probably believe to the bitter end that propaganda will get them through but Russia is impervious to the West’s propaganda after decades of confronting the same. Propaganda cannot win the Ukraine anything other than delay their suffering for the end is a foregone conclusion.

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There is a meeting scheduled very soon between the two sides but I can see that Russia had upped the ante for they are now also demanding that the Ukraine recognizes the two state-lets recently recognized by Russia.

This is a very bitter and humiliating condition for the Ukraine to suddenly accept who are already struggling to accept the signing away of Crimea.

I therefore consider this to be the last “negotiating” meeting between the two sides as I sense Putin aims for this meeting to fail knowing that the next one will simply be an acceptance of surrender of all conditions and beyond.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:18 pm

And then there’s the problem of Putin’s GOLD…

Prerequisite quick intro/info:

London Bullion Market Association (LBMA)

“The London bullion market is a wholesale over-the-counter market for the trading of gold and silver. Trading is conducted amongst members of the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA), loosely overseen by the Bank of England. Most of the members are major international banks or bullion dealers and refiners.”


The British sanctions problem:

LBMA’s Fear of Stoking the Russian Bear – From ETF Concerns to Monetary Mayhem

https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/ronan ... ry-mayhem/


NB: This is a rather long and technical read so feel free to ask if you have any questions or if you didn’t get the essence.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby DT. » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:46 pm

Get Real! wrote:The Ukrainian invasion or however you may want to cal it… will result in Russia killing two birds with one stone!

First, they will have removed all American influence and NATO threats from this very important piece of soviet territory and Black sea ports, and second…

Once the Ukrainian resistance capitulates don't be surprised if Putin rejects Ukrainian self determination.

He has already gone over budget and spilled too much blood while the foolish Ukrainian regime played games till the very end, so his demands for surrender will most likely increase and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ukraine loses statehood outright.

Russia cannot take any more risks with the Ukraine… there can never be a repeat of this debacle, but more importantly he is now alerted to a new important commodity coming under Russian control...

Russian + Ukrainian grains… the world’s two largest grain exporters to be combined into a new global front!

To the victor go the spoils, and who would blame him? He will have earned it.

---------------------------------

Btw, one thing I forgot to mention is that as we near the end don’t be surprised if the desperate Ukrainians attempt a major false flag. Whether it’s a strike on a nuclear power plant or whether it’s a slaughter of fleeing civilians remains to be seen, but the danger of this happening remains great.

The fools will probably believe to the bitter end that propaganda will get them through but Russia is impervious to the West’s propaganda after decades of confronting the same. Propaganda cannot win the Ukraine anything other than delay their suffering for the end is a foregone conclusion.

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There is a meeting scheduled very soon between the two sides but I can see that Russia had upped the ante for they are now also demanding that the Ukraine recognizes the two state-lets recently recognized by Russia.

This is a very bitter and humiliating condition for the Ukraine to suddenly accept who are already struggling to accept the signing away of Crimea.

I therefore consider this to be the last “negotiating” meeting between the two sides as I sense Putin aims for this meeting to fail knowing that the next one will simply be an acceptance of surrender of all conditions and beyond.


Let’s call it a peace operation (I’m sure the Turks won’t mind you borrowing that.) other than that congrats on the post. You’ve just annihilated every argument you’ve ever made against Greece and Turkey and their interference and subsequent Turkish invasion and occupation of Cyprus.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:04 pm

Baboons scrambling everywhere...

Everywhere you look in the West there are countless baboons scrambling right now to undo severe damage they’ve just approved and authorized that is guaranteed to only hurt themselves!

For nobody from the West had prepared to sever ties with Russia… they simply authorized it without any research or care for any consequences!

They had an ignorant sense of superiority probably brought upon by decades of poor local media reporting of a weak, isolated, and toothless Russia that they could easily handle, but the Empire of Lies has been caught naked and in a stupor.

Meanwhile Russia, under the only politician with a seemingly functional brain… had been preparing for such a doomsday for years by structuring their economy, shaping their relationships, and building their various reserves and markets to survive and even thrive for when push goes to shove with the West, for they knew it was coming.

Today the West’s monkeys have been fully exposed and they now find themselves running around completely naked looking for solutions to overcome their own folly.

All the West’s problems we are seeing today stem from ONE crucial shortcoming… they have not a single politician who has a clear grasp of the complex interwoven relationships of today’s world, and when you don’t have a clear picture of the whole picture then chances are that any emotional move you make will come at your detriment.

The West desperately needs leadership that can only engage in OBJECTIVE moves instead of emotional, but with clowns like Boris, Biden, and the multiple fools at the helm of the EU (the circus), it doesn’t look like a rectifiable problem in the near future.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:11 pm

Sidenote: :roll:

I’m struggling to understand why some of you insist on bringing the CyProb or ISIS into all of this!

For the last time people, can you PLEASE take it to an appropriate thread, in future?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Maximus » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:26 pm

The kremlin's spokesperson, Peskov, has said that the "special military operation" in Ukraine can end in a "moment" under these conditions.

- Ukraine remains neutral, "They should make amendments to their constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc". This demand is key, as a course toward NATO accession was written into Ukraine’s constitution in 2019.

- Ukraine needs to recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea and “recognise that Donetsk and Lugansk [republics] are independent states." Peskov told Reuters that Russia is not seeking to make any further territorial claims on Ukraine.

- Ukraine must stop their military action and no one will shoot.

Leading up to Russia’s offensive, Western leaders repeatedly refused to rule out NATO membership for Ukraine.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:47 pm

How to figure out who is winning…

The British media in particular, has gone into hysterical propaganda overdrive so be careful how you interpret what you read on their sites for there is only ONE condition when it comes to figuring out who is winning a war…

The side that is capturing territory is the side that is forcing defeat and retreat on the opponent.

There is no other condition if you’re looking for the sign of the winner.

Posting one-sided pictures, Geneva Convention violating images/videos of captured soldiers, and self-serving one-sided tables of imaginary casualty tallies, should be ignored.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:21 pm

Get Real! wrote:How to figure out who is winning….


Let me put it this way.

The side which is losing, is the side who is asking for volunteer foreign fighters (mercenaries), weapons, fighter jets, no fly zone and diplomatic actions with sanctions against the winning side. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:28 pm

Has there every been any doubt over who would "win"?

Russian forces far outnumber and outgun the Ukrainian's in every area. The result of their "Special military operation" has always been a foregone conclusion.

The fact remains, the Ukrainians have fought well, all things considered. Proving to be anything but the walk over anticipated. The idea in particular that the Russian speaking population would welcome their invaders as liberators turning out to be a fallacy. What the future holds for any occupying Russian forces or puppet government is something which is now I suspect a matter of concern. Time will tell on that one.

You really are enjoying yourself, aren't you GR? Post after post after gleeful post. Oh what a lovely war. Ehh?

What a sad, bitter, hate-filled person you are. :(
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:36 pm

Londonrake wrote:Has there every been any doubt over who would "win"?

Russian forces far outnumber and outgun the Ukrainian's in every area. The result of their "Special military operation" has always been a foregone conclusion.

The fact remains, the Ukrainians have fought well, all things considered. Proving to be anything but the walk over anticipated. The idea in particular that the Russian speaking population would welcome their invaders as liberators turning out to be a fallacy. What the future holds for any occupying Russian forces or puppet government is something which is now I suspect a matter of concern. Time will tell on that one.

You really are enjoying yourself, aren't you GR? Post after post after gleeful post. Oh what a lovely war. Ehh?

What a sad, bitter, hate-filled person you are. :(


There is considerable doubt now that Russia can win this war.

It's not a foregone conclusion at all. Considerable doubt Russia can occupy Ukraine.
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