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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:40 pm

Voice of reason. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.


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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:04 pm

Lordo wrote:Bullshitting is spreading. Very interesting headline. Says it all really.

Ukraine won't forget who backed us - foreign minister

Ukraine's foreign minister tells the BBC nations that don't back Ukraine will be held to account.


Wow we are shaking in our boots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64976079

The threat directed at the developing countries, my word that is some tough talk.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 pm

Kikapu wrote:

We all seen these images by now and still it is claimed that the Russian Jet had struck the propeller on the drone to cause one blade to bend and causing it to crash into the Black Sea.

Now, this has to be the biggest bollocks of an explanation by the Americans that the Russian jet physically made contact with the drone’s propeller. It is physically not possible for that to happen since the propeller on the drone is protected from all sides by objects extending further out than the propeller, like the stabilizers at the aft of the drone.

What is more likely to have happened was that the thrust from the Russian jet engines forced one of the stabilizer (most likely the top right stabilizer) to break off towards the propeller and making contact, hence bending a propeller blade. It was also stated that this bent propeller caused the drone to fall into the sea, which is another bunch of bollocks.

A missing stabilizer at the aft on the drone would have caused the drone to fall out of the sky and not a bent propeller . The fuel spray from the Russian jets was more than likely to clog up the air intake valves to make the engine stop running on the drone, so to crash land into the sea or glide back to home base, which did not seem to have worked, but was a good idea all the same.


The important point imo is that the American UAV turned it's transponders off, trying to enter the Russian Air defense zone in Crimea to gather intelligence. The Americans don't recognize this ADZ, and the Russians simply sent them a message. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:31 pm

So the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Pres. Putin?

First of course the ‘accused’ in International Law, in fact even National Law in most countries requires the accused to have access to the evidence. That should be interesting?

This was also interesting ...... Dan Cohen has looked into the way the news gets out. Seems to know what he is talking about! He mentions the fact I realised a long time ago .... we only hear about Russian war crimes ...... never Ukraine war crimes! Next we will hear Zelenskey has been put gorward for the Nobel Peace Prize! :roll:

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:00 pm

The deeper you go worse it gets.

In 1954, Crimea was handed to Ukraine as a gift by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, who was himself half-Ukrainian. Only 10 years earlier, Joseph Stalin had deported Crimea's entire Tatar population, some 300,000 people, allegedly for co-operating with Hitler's Germany.


What is more interesting today is what Trump's view of this crisis is and how he intends to solve it in 24 hours.

https://www.ibtimes.com/heres-what-trump-has-say-about-ukraine-russia-war-3676634

Our resident Trump stooge is going to be livid.

Trump's comments about the ongoing war in Ukraine echoed his previous remarks that he would have allowed Putin to control "certain areas" in the beleaguered country to avoid the conflict.


There was no need to allow part of Ukraine to be controlled by Russia. If Ukraine signed the Minsk agreement, the Russian speakers in the east would have autonomy but still be under Ukraine. But now that they voted to join the Russian federation, of course it is a tad too late.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:09 pm

Robin Hood wrote:So the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Pres. Putin?

First of course the ‘accused’ in International Law, in fact even National Law in most countries requires the accused to have access to the evidence. That should be interesting?

This was also interesting ...... Dan Cohen has looked into the way the news gets out. Seems to know what he is talking about! He mentions the fact I realised a long time ago .... we only hear about Russian war crimes ...... never Ukraine war crimes! Next we will hear Zelenskey has been put gorward for the Nobel Peace Prize! :roll:



How many western leaders have been issued an arrest warrants by the ICC for war crimes since WWII?

Double standards always tilted to the West’s favour, the ones who are the biggest war crime offenders ever. :roll:

Hague should tread carefully.

One missile, no Hague.

No Hague, no court, no case! :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Lordo wrote:The deeper you go worse it gets.

Our resident Trump stooge is going to be livid.

Trump's comments about the ongoing war in Ukraine echoed his previous remarks that he would have allowed Putin to control "certain areas" in the beleaguered country to avoid the conflict.

There was no need to allow part of Ukraine to be controlled by Russia. If Ukraine signed the Minsk agreement, the Russian speakers in the east would have autonomy but still be under Ukraine. But now that they voted to join the Russian federation, of course it is a tad too late.

Exactly ......and Russia tried to get Minsk implemented for the whole of the eight years after the Kyiv coup. It was the Kyiv regime bnacked by the US and its allies that did every thing to resist it. In the few months before the Russians reacted ..... I might add that was exctly as the US knew they would ...... there was a massive arms build up in Ukraine. The Kyiv/US plan started about a week before Russia responded on the 24/2/22.

In my book as that scenario is 100% backed by evidence that is beyond question ,,,,, it is a fundamental truth about what happened! It is just NEVER referenced by any of the anti-Russian pro-US pundits. :x .
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:24 pm

An amazing discussion worth it's every minute of watching

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:51 am

...the reporter describes Putin's need for Xi's support, and the price he will have to pay for getting it.

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:03 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...the reporter describes Putin's need for Xi's support, and the price he will have to pay for getting it.


I don't think it is as blatant as that RW. But China is certain if they defeat Russia they will then turn on her. Far better to stop America in her tracks now.

The guiding principle here is "A friend in need is a friend indeed". And of course you can never have enough of real friends.

They are going to attempt to throw Russia out of the Permanent SC. If they do, not only has China got Russia's back but it will be the end of UN too. Good riddance of old rubbish. They do nothing good for anybody.
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