Kikapu wrote:Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:Londonrake wrote:I admire your optimism Paphitis but find it difficult to join in.:
Unlike Paphitis, most of us here are very rational observers as to which way the war in Ukraine will end. The decisive victory/peace settlement will be given to Russia, because without a Russian victory, the proxy with NATO will never end, which may even lead to WWIII to which everyone loses. However, if and when NATO loses their proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, their ego will be bruised but avoided WWIII, benefit for all. You are correct, that Russia will go for attrition because they are not given any other choice by the collective West if they want to protect their Federation.
I don’t think Paphitis’ posts are attacked by others, but more like they are being ridiculed instead, just like when I say for him to lay off the “Happy Meals” from McDonalds!
We seem to be living in an upside down world at the moment with the war in Ukraine where the collective West is supporting a Nazi condoning Ukraine, the same Nazis where millions died fighting against in WWII, including Russians, so it is true, that the enemy of my enemy, is my friend!
Yes but I ridicule you too when I tell you to stay off the copium.
You are not a rational observer Kikapu. No rational observer has your stance at all.
Because if Ukraine win, all of Europe are in danger. So many countries like Moldova, Poland, latvia, Finland, Lithuania and more can expect this WW3 within the next 5 years.
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This is what it’s meant by Freudian slip, no?
Yes Paphitis, deep down you know what the score is in Ukraine and how this war will end.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year was meant to be a limited operation to get Kyiv to the negotiating table and it worked, but the USA was against any settlement agreement, hence the continuation of the war. It was unthinkable that Russia was going to take all of Ukraine, a very large country with a total of 200,000 troops. This was never Russia’s intention, but the West has used it as a failure by zRussia as being incompetent. Russia has paid a high price for that mistake by approaching Ukraine with “ kid glove” because the double cross by NATO on the 2014 Minsk agreements. So now, Russia has re mobilized to fight NATO directly in Ukraine. The real war in Ukraine has not started yet. When it does, it is going to get very messy but Russia has no other choice than to go “all in”. NATO has no willpower or the ability to go “all in” also, which means Ukraine will be left to defend/capitulate itself.
The $billion$ so called defensive alliance (not) NATO has given to Ukraine in weapons is a fraction what was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the price tag was around $1-2 Trillion$ which most of that money stayed in the US to support it’s own Military Complex Companies, but in the end, NATO withdrew from these countries with it’s tail between it’s legs and the same will be in Ukraine. If NATO was a defensive alliance, why is it sending weapons to Ukraine along with personal to help Ukraine prolong this war? Russia did not attack a NATO member, so why is NATO helping NAZI supporting Zelensky against Russia? Actually, this is a rhetorical question.
So, we know that NATO is not a defensive alliance by any imagination, but a gang of agitators creating insecurities for Russia by pushing itself on to Russian borders every chance it gets. Well, this time Russia is pushing back just as JFK did with the Cuban crisis, and if the push starts becoming a shove, then we will have WWIII where everyone will lose. Will NATO be stupid enough to get into a shoving match with Russia as it stands to lose the most, no, I don’t think it is stupid enough to see the West be destroyed, hence the decisive victory in Ukraine going to Russia. The West knows this and are hoping for a peace settlement, but Russia will now only agree for a peace settlement under it‘s own terms and no longer trust the West for Minsk 3.
The operation to take Kyiv was so that Ukraine will ultimately collapse, and Ruzzia can install its own puppet and turn Ukraine into a vassal state under occupation.
There were no negotiations or agreements at all. This is just Ruzzian propaganda. At the time, Ruzzia wanted to capture and kill Zalensky and the allies even offered Zalensky transportation to leave Ukraine, which he declines by saying "we need ammunition and guns, not a ride". So he stayed in Ukraine and became an inspiration to his people. And we see the results of this today.
The cost of aid top Ukraine is only a pittance compared to the costs of all coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. It really presents great value for NATO and the West as they are able to lay down the foundations and conditions whereby the Ruzzian Military is degraded without jeopardizing the lives of their own soldiers.
You see, if the west had ill intentions (which they did not have), then Ruzzia has really played into its enemies hands and backed itself into a corner and an unwinnable hand. Now it's too late of course and the west has no choice but to milk Ruzzia's misfortune for all its worth. And the reason why the west has no choice is because Ruzzia is talking about destroying the west, expanding its empire through conquest until they reach the British Channel. The west has no choice but to believe this is Ruzzia's intention and future aspiration. Therefore, the west needs to destroy Ruzzia as much as is practiceable and degrade its capability to the point where it is no longer a threat.
At Istanbul talks Russia promises to scale down operations in northern UkraineEURACTIV.com with Reuters
29 Mar 2022
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Russia promised at peace talks on Tuesday (29 March) to scale down its military operations around Kyiv and northern Ukraine, while Ukraine proposed adopting a neutral status but with international guarantees that it would be protected from attack.
The talks in a palace in Istanbul came as Russia’s invasion has been halted on most fronts by strong resistance, with Ukrainians recapturing territory in counter-attacks, even as civilians are trapped in besieged cities.
“In order to increase mutual trust and create the necessary conditions for further negotiations and achieving the ultimate goal of agreeing and signing (an) agreement, a decision was made to radically, by a large margin, reduce military activity in the Kyiv and Chernihiv directions,” Russian Deputy Defence Minister Alexander Fomin told reporters.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... n-ukraine/
Yes sure - just in time for their good will gesture, which in reality was a rout and retreat in defeat. What a coincidence.
They tried to take Kyiv but failed and had to explain it someway.
Since when has anything coming from Ruzzia been sincere or true. The whole war is under a false pretense of fighting Nazism for heaven sake, and they said they wanted to scale down and give "goodwill gestures"? and in the same breath absolutely raise Mariupol to the ground among many other cities and towns...
Unfortunately, there were no meetings with Ukraine or its officials. There were only talks through third parties such as through Erdogan and Turkey behind the scenes and some other western countries like France. None had the power to agree to anything and Ukraine was never a party to it. Nor did any agreements be reached.
And the US never applied any pressure to negate any potential agreements and even had behind the scenes talks with Ruzzia with nothing to come of it.
Before Istanbul‘s negotiations meeting
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Ukrainian media: Member of team negotiating with Russia killedBy Al Mayadeen net
Source: Agencies
5 Mar 2022 15:31
Denis Kireev, a member of the negotiating delegation with Russia, was killed while in Ukrainian authorities' custody after arresting him for accusations of treason.
Ukrainian media have reported the killing of Denis Kireev, a member of the negotiating delegation with Russia, during an attempt to arrest him by the Ukrainian security forces on Saturday.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/pol ... ussia-kill
Yes well, the Ukrainian Security Agencies admitted to killing him and also labelled him an enemy to the state and a double agent.
He was never sanctioned by the Ukrainian Government to hold any negotiations from their side, or make any claims or attempts for negotiations.
Negotiations back then only involved the complete capitulation of Ukraine and acceptance of the current territorial gains by the illegal Ruzzian Invasion. That isn't a negotiation and the Ukraine Government and its people do not accept this and will never accept anything other than a complete Ruzzian withdrawal.
He isn't the only traitor to be killed either. The Ukrainian Security Agencies and their partizans behind enemy lines, actively seek traitors like him and kill them and they do this with a great degree of success as well.
Ukraine has only ever been able to send messages to the enemy through third part mediators from other countries - in particular, Turkey, US, France, and UK.
The most active being Erdogan or Turkey, who has tried to be the most active player, for peace. But even Erdogan said that Ruzzia's claims are unrealistic and unacceptable to Ukraine and an obstacle to any negotiations. Ukraine will not accept any surrender terms and certainly doesn't have to now as they are actually the country which is dictating the terms now as they are being bolstered by Western Arms, and virtually wiping the Ruzzians off the face.
This war will go on, until the final comprehensive defeat of the Ruzzians. There is no other way towards a final peace, or option. This war will go on and be ended on Ukraine's terms. And in so doing, NATO and the West will ensure that Ruzzia is by no means able or capable to wage a war against them, Europe or any other country. And in fact, the west wants to see this through in order to cause Ruzzia the maximum amount of damage and instability.
For the west, instability could mean many different things. It could mean insurgencies, Coups, or even the dismemberment and complete collapse of the Rusian Federation into smaller states. Ruzzia is vulnerable to all this now and the West would be crazy to not see this through to the bitter end. The Ruzzians have given he west a great opportunity. And we could very well be seeing Putlar and his Henchmen in The Hague as well.
At this time, Ukraine isn't interested in negotiating with its rapist. It's impossible negotiating with this criminal rogue just like it was impossible for the allies to negotiate with Hitler in WW2.
