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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:34 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
Lordo wrote:A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.


...indeed he is the Leader of the Ukrainian People, not a soldier (it was not his choice to have to fight); everyone is fighting for their State, its Constitution, and their lives,


Finally, someone who gets it.

Well done RW. He is NOT a soildier. 100%
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:37 am



...more news from Russia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:51 am



...other news.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:44 am

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repulsewarrior wrote:
Lordo wrote:A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.


...indeed he is the Leader of the Ukrainian People, not a soldier (it was not his choice to have to fight); everyone is fighting for their State, its Constitution, and their lives, all of them equal in this regard and as such each with a delegated authority: soldiers salute him as the representative of the Ukrainian People who they all serve, given their position these soldiers do not fight alone, if the President were to salute it would not be only the military that's deserving of it.

Yes, i have seen him on other occasions do the same thing; my guess why, because it is a humble gesture. Otherwise, it helps him in his own defense should he be accused of war crimes. "You"/You, choose.

Come now RW, he is giving orders for people to walk into their deaths. He should be able to do a fuckin salute a soldier that risked his life.

anyway

Victory is inevitable if allies keep promises - Zelensky


And of course we all know the west always keep their promises right?

Explain to an Afghan, Syrian or an Iraqi or Yemeni or a Libyan. None of them have been let down have they?


No he isn't!

It's the Ukrainian Commander in Chief giving orders and no, they do not order their soldiers to walk to their deaths. They are being ordered to do their job and defend Ukraine's sovereignty, protect their people and defend their nation. And they don't walk. They roll in with Tanks IFVs usually because they have an endless supply of weapons. It's the Ruzzians who are on foot and who are the sitting ducks now because Ukraine has destroyed most of Ruzzia's vehicles already and they are running low of everything.

And the Ukrainian military doctrine is one similar to ours where the very lives of the UIkrainian Soldiers are valued, both from a humanitarian point of view and a resource point of view. Ukraine will not send in Cannon Fodder but it will plan its military operations in a way which will endeavor to limit casualties as much as is possible. Ukraine Forces will prefer to withdraw to other fortified positions than have its soldiers killed en-masse.

The other thing is this. Ukrainian morale is very high. They WANT to fight and feel they have plenty to fight for. The Ukrainian Soldiers are well aware they are defending their country, cities and towns, and defending the Ukrainian people. They have a strong sense of obligation and duty. They do not want to live under Ruzzian hegemony as this for them that is a fate worse than death. It's like if you were a Jew, you wouldn't want to be under NAZI hegemony. You would rather die fighting than to surrender and be gassed. The Ukrainian people have suffered under the Russians. The Russians even have a derogatory term for Ukrainians, which dehumanizes them and has them as inferior to them. There is nothing worse than that. It's like they are second rate or animals. And this tells you a lot about Putlar and his Ruzzia.

This spurs Ukrainians on to fight. Their soldiers know very well what is at stake. And they also know that some will die, but they can't let their families and children live under the debauchery of Ruzzia. The Ukrainians want a free and democratic country and they want to be with the west - EU and NATO. That is their call and choice. Their past history under the Soviet Union is nothing but a nightmare they do not want to relive and they now have a very deep sense of hate towards them as well.

The Ruzzians however do not know what they are fighting for and have much lower morale and much higher losses and casualties. Their doctrine does not seem to value the lives of their soldiers. To the Ruzzians, its all about achieving the objectives no matter what the cost, but this also destroys the souls of their soldiers and we are seeing the results of this now whereby Ruzzia is losing and its military capabilities are being heavily degraded. In the end, Ukraine will win. It's not a case of if, but when.

The entire world needs to be very proud of Ukraine now. If Churchill was alive, he would say, Ukrainians don't fight like heroes, but Heroes fight like Ukrainians. What Ukrainians are doing is giving hope to freedom and justice against the most atrocious evils never seen since WW2. All nations of the free world are at war with Ruzzia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:15 pm

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Lordo wrote:A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.


...indeed he is the Leader of the Ukrainian People, not a soldier (it was not his choice to have to fight); everyone is fighting for their State, its Constitution, and their lives, all of them equal in this regard and as such each with a delegated authority: soldiers salute him as the representative of the Ukrainian People who they all serve, given their position these soldiers do not fight alone, if the President were to salute it would not be only the military that's deserving of it.

Yes, i have seen him on other occasions do the same thing; my guess why, because it is a humble gesture. Otherwise, it helps him in his own defense should he be accused of war crimes. "You"/You, choose.


Does he look like a civilian to you?
So you believe everybody is fighting for their state? Is that the reason he passed a law blocking all mean from leaving because they wanted to fight?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:23 pm

Interesting that Zalizmenos will not talk to the Russian Speakers in Ukraine or Russia for peace but want's to meet China's Xi.

Of course when a person is responsible for the mess, he is generally the last person to see his way though to a solution. And clearly he is not paying the price of his stupidity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64762219
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:02 pm

Basically, IMHO, you're an embarrassing idiot, desperate for attention. You spend day after day posting on this forum, to the point where currently you're saturating just about every thread. I can't be the only one - whatever a member's views - who thinks a period of silence on your part would be greatly appreciated.

You seem to feel the need to post on just about every thread. Usually with totally irrelevant BS. You've voiced anti-US/West diatribes on subjects as diverse as astronomy and food. Totally inappropriately. An idiot.

Much like the great man himself, GR, you seem to have mental problems. You get away with it, because - however ridiculous it might be - you've always been careful to say things that won't upset the big boys on the forum. Although, I doubt I'm the only one that thinks - like a small terrier yapping and running around a person's feet - you're a noisy nuisance. Detracting from the main and interesting posts on this subject.

You change your supposed "principles" like a chameleon, depending upon the subject. Fundamentally, you have none of any substance but will post and say whatever you think gets you the best attention.

It's customary in many countries that you only salute when wearing an appropriate headdress. What you're trying to make out of something so inane is typical of your infantile style.

There are many reports and pictures of Zelenskyy - please try to get the spelling right, I've worked hard to improve it - visiting frontline troops. I suspect though you'll struggle to find a single example of Vladimir Putin doing the same for his soldiers. AFAIK he hasn't gone anywhere near Ukraine in his invasion so far. In fact, whilst Zelenskyy has been pictured visiting troops on the front line many times, contemporary reports of Putin have shown things like his sitting at the end of a 30' table in a meeting with Macron. Risible.

I've mentioned before what a hypocrite you are.

Lordo wrote:Interesting that.............................................................

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64762219


Lordo wrote:Interesting words on the Airwaves this morning on London Bullshit Corporation


Desperate to avoid appearing to validate their opinion - and of course to stay in with "the boys" - you've slagged off the UK news many times. Apparently oblivious to the fact that it's been your main source of linked information. In order to validate your views. An idiot. :eyecrazy:

Frankly - why don't you just take a break and:

Go away.JPG


Here's a genuinely and warmly offered suggestion. Why don't you leave Swineland - which it seems is full of Swine - (I fully expect one of your next illuminating posts to be a complaint about racism) - and come back here? It's Paradise and I'm sure you would be much happier. As would I - and I imagine a few others hereabouts. Don't worry though, there are about 40000 "Swine" in barracks in the north here for you to get your teeth into. Come home. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 25, 2023 6:47 pm

Hello Bitches! Paphitis is in da house to wish you all a happy 1st anniversary of Putlar's 3 day Special Military Operation. :lol:

Now bitches, what's the latest news from the front lines? Has Bakhmut fallen yet? Surely can't be too much longer? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Below is the Day 366 Ukrainian War Map. You can click on the icons and then on the link that appears to the left of your desktop or computer to see all the wonderful videos of Ruzzians being blown to smithereens. Some are not too bad, but be warned, that some are definitely 18+ which means Lordo should not click on them. :lol:

This year bitches you will see massive developments and witness Ruzzia's big undoing and demoralizing defeat. Brace yourselves for a big reality check bitches. For some of you, it will be a disaster. For normal people like the rest of us, justice will be served on a platter. 8)

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?en ... 000006&z=4

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Sat Feb 25, 2023 7:17 pm

I admire your optimism Paphitis but find it difficult to join in.

I suspect this war will go on for a very long time. Possibly another year and perhaps more. In part because Putin really now has no other choice. His best option seems to be to go for attrition, in the hope the West grow fatigued and subsumed in their own domestic political problems.

I can't really see how either side can win. In a substantial sense.

Clearly, Putin's initial view that Russia could take Ukraine, fairly effortlessly and in a matter of days, has long gone. Conversely, I don't see how the Ukrainians can drive the Russian army out of all their territory.

Obviously, neither side are interested in negotiating the matter at the moment. The Chinese effort is a patent feint and it seems to me the forum will continue to be a platform for sharing various views/links between Russian supporters and - of course, during the breaks - attacking your posts. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:44 am

Londonrake wrote:I admire your optimism Paphitis but find it difficult to join in.:


Unlike Paphitis, most of us here are very rational observers as to which way the war in Ukraine will end. The decisive victory/peace settlement will be given to Russia, because without a Russian victory, the proxy with NATO will never end, which may even lead to WWIII to which everyone loses. However, if and when NATO loses their proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, their ego will be bruised but avoided WWIII, benefit for all. You are correct, that Russia will go for attrition because they are not given any other choice by the collective West if they want to protect their Federation.

I don’t think Paphitis’ posts are attacked by others, but more like they are being ridiculed instead, just like when I say for him to lay off the “Happy Meals” from McDonalds! :wink:

We seem to be living in an upside down world at the moment with the war in Ukraine where the collective West is supporting a Nazi condoning Ukraine, the same Nazis where millions died fighting against in WWII, including Russians, so it is true, that the enemy of my enemy, is my friend! :shock:
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