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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:40 pm

A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:05 pm

Something is getting cooked in Moldova.
https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy ... -oi-rosoi/

There are links to Twitter videos at the end here's one:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1628396694684463107
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:34 pm

Zelenskyy’s leadership has another dimension not widely appreciated outside parts of Ukraine where many people speak Russian in everyday life. In the years after Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and provocation of war in the Donbas, Zelenskyy, working with other comedians, laid conceptual groundwork for a capacious form of patriotism focusing on love for Ukraine, rather than ethnic identity or mother tongue. If he and they had not, the country might not have unified the way it has.


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... y-00083489

...being an actor may have been his country's saving grace; as a unifier he wants them all to laugh (like Reagan, and unlike Trump).
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:21 pm



...infighting in Russia's ranks.

I thought i would include this because there has been so much discussion about these comments.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:49 pm

Lordo wrote:A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.


...indeed he is the Leader of the Ukrainian People, not a soldier (it was not his choice to have to fight); everyone is fighting for their State, its Constitution, and their lives, all of them equal in this regard and as such each with a delegated authority: soldiers salute him as the representative of the Ukrainian People who they all serve, given their position these soldiers do not fight alone, if the President were to salute it would not be only the military that's deserving of it.

Yes, i have seen him on other occasions do the same thing; my guess why, because it is a humble gesture. Otherwise, it helps him in his own defense should he be accused of war crimes. "You"/You, choose.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:23 am

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Lordo wrote:A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.


...indeed he is the Leader of the Ukrainian People, not a soldier (it was not his choice to have to fight); everyone is fighting for their State, its Constitution, and their lives, all of them equal in this regard and as such each with a delegated authority: soldiers salute him as the representative of the Ukrainian People who they all serve, given their position these soldiers do not fight alone, if the President were to salute it would not be only the military that's deserving of it.

Yes, i have seen him on other occasions do the same thing; my guess why, because it is a humble gesture. Otherwise, it helps him in his own defense should he be accused of war crimes. "You"/You, choose.

Come now RW, he is giving orders for people to walk into their deaths. He should be able to do a fuckin salute a soldier that risked his life.

anyway

Victory is inevitable if allies keep promises - Zelensky


And of course we all know the west always keep their promises right?

Explain to an Afghan, Syrian or an Iraqi or Yemeni or a Libyan. None of them have been let down have they?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:52 am

Kikapu wrote:Paphitis, lay of having too many “Happy Meals” at McDonalds! :wink:

That shit can obscure your clear thinking on Ukraine and the facts on the ground! :wink:

I have seen too many pilots in the US rushing into the boarding area to get some fast food then take it back to the plane on their short turnarounds! :wink:

I mean, really, Biden taking a victory lap in Kyiv the other day according to you whilst the sirens were turned on to give an special effects when there were no need for the sirens as there were no incoming since Russia guaranteed his safe travels, much to the disappointment of Kamala Harris, no doubt. :wink:

It seemed more like Biden giving Ukraine the last rites before the shit hits the fan soon as Biden gets a photo-op for the 2024 re-election on the backs of Ukrainians. Yes, it is sad, but true. :shock:


One thing having Happy Meals at Maccas, but an entirely different thing being dependent on Copium and be delusional to reality. :wink:

You know, the same thing happens in Australia, to an extent. Because the alternative is Airline Catering. It's quite ok for the first week but after that, even Maccas is better, or a nice cheese and ham toastie from the cafe, or the ever glorious 5am Coffee. It's not as if we can't get free coffees onboard, but we still buy our coffee or we get our coffee fixes at the United Club where its a proper barista style. :wink:

Ruzzia offered no guarantees. The actual notion of getting guarantees from Ruzzia is absolutely absurd. Basically, Putlar shit his undies and wouldn't dare and tried to make political mileage making it seem like he has control of something and can control a POTUS visit. But of course its laughable andf yes, I bet the Amerikans and NATO are pissing themselves thinking that surely Putlar can't be this much of a clown. It isn't possible right? :lol:

At the end of the day, no one takes Putlar seriously. Many Heads of State have visited Kyiv, including Australian PM. And the same rules apply. If Australia's PM was killed, it is instant war between ANZUS and Ruzzia, and if there is instant war from ANZUS Article 5, NATO Article 5 is also activated by default. And yes, ANZUS and NATO are connected. And at the very least, US and UK will be at war. Which will inevitable drag everyone else in. That includes Canada. Head of State for Australia and Canada is King Charles.

So Ruzzia can't do fuck all. Putlar isn't suicidal as far as I can see, although he is getting very close to have already committed suicide.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:03 am

Lordo wrote:A soldier walks in front of Zalizmenos and salutes him just before he is given his medal. After receiving the medal the soldiers salutes him again. Yet Zalizmenos did not salute him at either points.


Zalensky isn't allowed to salute because he hasn't got an official commission. Although, if he did, no one will say anything.

Same with UK Prime Minister, Canadian PM, or Australian PM. The protocol is to shake hands only.

The POTUS however does salute because the POTUS is Commander in Chief.

The Commander in Chief for UK, Australia, Canada, NZ is King Charles at least in a ceremonial capacity. Therefore, he is saluted. All members of the Royal Family are saluted. And they must salute back.

Even King Constantine must be saluted if you are a member of the UK, Australian or Canadia military because King Constantine of Greece has an official rank for Australia, Canada, and NZ. And furthermore, whenever he would visit Australia, he gets a ride with RAAF BBJ at tax payer expense. And if not RAAF BBJ, he would be carried by a Corporate Jet associated with a RAAF Defence Department contractor which has Defence Contracts in Australia with the RAAF. A British firm that is associated with the Australian Department Defence AMSA, Coast watch, Air to Air refueling and also target towing. One of the largest Defence Arms dealers in the world.

So no Australian PM or politician can be saluted. However, even the former Greek Royal Family MUST be saluted according to official protocol, because of their links to the Head of State. In the event of a Nuclear War, where most of the royals are wiped out, it is possible for Constantine's son to be Head of State. It's a funny world we live in.

And unlike Greece, Constantine's official titles are fully recognized by Australian Government. And the former now deceased King was a regular visitor to Australia. Even got invites to cut ribbons at one of the most elite Private Schools in Adelaide.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:32 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Something is getting cooked in Moldova.
https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy ... -oi-rosoi/

There are links to Twitter videos at the end here's one:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1628396694684463107


It certainly is - the invasion of Ruzzian controlled areas in Moldova is very much on the cards.

It's the perfect opportunity. And that one will be a 3 day Special Military Operation. With only 1500 Ruzzian soldiers there, I can't see the Ruzzians lasting more than 3 days and that's being generous.

Don't worry, with Moldova's application to join NATO, everything is on the tables, and NATO/US will not miss an opportunity. :D
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