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Fourty hours a week

Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:27 am

This is my last thread. I am not creating any more threads. Well at least I do not intend to at this point.

Why do we have to work for 40 hours a week.

In my job I spent a lot of time in officces of some of the top International Companies. I see how pwople work. I estimate on average people do not do any more than 6 hours a day or less. Some swines take 3 hour lunches etc.

So should we keep this 40 hours a week or perhaps bring it down to 32 hours and see if the actuall production of work drops.

Microsft have done this in Japan and found that production increased with 32 hours a week. This makes very interesting reading.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/04/microsoft-japan-four-day-work-week-productivity

And of course a lot of us can actually work from home say 2 days a week which wil lreduce the company's requirement for space and save on heat and electricty and also save workers the transport costs. Not to mention happier workers and healthier workers, thats a win win right.
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Re: Fourty hours a week

Postby Maximus » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:38 am

no, because people will continue with the same habits when they only have to work 32 hours a week.

I have seen how people work.

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Re: Fourty hours a week

Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:05 pm

Maximus wrote:no, because people will continue with the same habits when they only have to work 32 hours a week.

I have seen how people work.

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What have you done with that toilet brush again.

There is value at learning aout the work hours in the recent history.

Back in 1784 ten-hour day was proposed at Manchester Quarter Sessions (England).

Then we had First Factory Act (Health and Morals of Apprentices) in 1802.

In 1815 Foundation in England of the ‘Ten Hours Movement’ was created

Then in 1818 - Robert Owen presented a petition to the five leading European powers meeting at the congress of Aix-la-Chapelle. The document asked for the establishment of working hours restrictions throughout Europe in order to stop unfair competition.
His submission was rejected as ‘lunatic’.

1819 and 1925, we had the British Factory Acts (not enforced)

1831, 1833 British Factory Act : Under 21s not allowed to work at night in cotton mills. Under 18s not allowed to work longer than 12 hours (9 hours on Saturday).
Robert Owen begins to experiment with a co-operative system based on labour working time tokens.

1843 Ten-hour Day Act (normal working day)

No doubt the mill owners were screaming how they would go bankrupt because of the act.

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Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:04 pm

1840 First strike for an eight-hour day – Wellington, New Zealand.

1841 French law limiting the hours worked by children in mines (not applied in practice).

1842 The first child labour law introduced in the USA. This regulated working hours in Massachusetts.

1844 British Factory Act: maximum working day of 12 hours for adults and 6.5 hours for children.

1847 Ten Hour Act

1850 British Factory Act: Limits for women and children introduced. Employment permissible between 6.00 am and 6.00 pm (later in winter) on weekdays and until 2.00 pm on Saturdays.

1868 US congress passed a law limiting daily working time to eight hours for federal employees.
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1874 British Factory Act: Reduction of half an hour each day for textile workers.

1890 Berlin conference on working time. Resolutions on child labour, women and children in mining, and night work.

1897 ‘Eight-hour day’ strike by engineers

1899 Eight-hour day for all government workers – Puerto Rico.

1900 Foundation of the International Association for Labour.

1905 Berne Convention on night work for women

1911 Swiss federal code of obligations sets certain entitlements and safeguards for holidays and other time off work.

1913 Berne Convention (draft) on night work for children
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Re: Fourty hours a week

Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:39 pm

When workers unite they produce results

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Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:41 pm

1916 Eight Hours Act – New South Wales, Australia.

1917 New revolutionary government in Russia orders universal eight-hour day.

1919 Spain introduces national eight-hour day law.

1919 ILO established as part of Paris Peace Conference. First meeting in Washington USA. Convention 1 agreed a maximum 8 hour day and maximum weekly hours of 48. ILO eventually became part of The UN.

1921 ILO Convention 14: weekly rest breaks in industry

1930 ILO Convention 30: hours of work in commerce and offices

1935 ILO Convention 47: 40-hour week

1936 French laws introduced by labour minister Jean-Baptiste Lebas provided two-weeks paid vacation each year and a 40-hour week.

1938 US Fair Labor Standards Act introduces a standard workweek of 40 hours and pay at time and a half for overtime hours. The Act does not apply to all employees.

1948 ILO Convention 89: night work for women (revised Convention 4)
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Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:42 pm

1949 Public holidays in Italy first listed in Law 260/1949.

1970 ILO Convention 132: holidays with pay (revised)

1975 EC Council Recommendation on the 40-hour maximum working
week and 4 weeks paid holiday. (75/457/EEC)

1976 Finland introduces seamens’ working hours Act

1979 ILO Convention 153: hours of work and rest periods in road transport

1985 Common EC statutory limits for heavy goods vehicle and public service vehicle drivers
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Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:43 pm

1993 (Nov 23rd) EC Directive on working time (93/104/EC). 48-hour week limitation (averaged), but with voluntary opt out by employees in some member states. John Major opted out of this.

1994 (Jun 22nd) EC Directive on the protection of young people at work (94/33/EC). 40-hour week limitation on 16/17 year old adolescents who are not in full time education.

1996 ILO Convention 180: seafarers’ hours of work and the manning of ships.

1996 (Jun 3rd) EC Directive on parental leave requirements

1997 EC Directive on part-time work

1998 Revised EC Regulation on working and rest time (transport)

1999 EC Directive on seafarers’ hours of work

2000 EC Directive on working time in civil aviation

2000 Loi Aubry becomes mandatory in France. This sets a maximum normal working week of 35 hours in all companies employing over 20 people. The Aubry II that was passed in 2000 extended the 35-hour week to employees in small companies and to some managers (cadres).
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Postby Lordo » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:48 pm

2000 SIMAP ruling by the European Court of Justice. All hours spent in residence and on call must count as working time.

2001 BECTU ruling by the European Court of Justice. This confirmed as unlawful any qualifying period before a new employee could build up entitlements for statutory paid annual leave.

2002 EC directive on mobile road transport activities

2002 Extension of EC working time restrictions (offshore workers and doctors in training)

2003 New consolidated Working Time Directive (2003/88/EC).

2003 Jaeger ruling by the European Court of Justice. If an employee is required to be present at the workplace, or otherwise at the disposal of their employer for a period between two shifts then the rest period must be classified as working time.

2007 French National assembly passes bill that promotes overtime working.

2015 European Court of Justice Decision concerning the working time of mobile workers with no fixed workplace.

2016 Tories demanded to be excluded from the Working Directive of 48 Hours was one of the 4 demands made by the Tories as a concession so as not to hold Brexit referendum.
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