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[Lordo]

This is real life.

Refugees who have fled conflict zones including Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea have told journalists that the fact that the UK is no longer part of the EU makes it more worthwhile risking the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries.

Isn't brexit a bitch.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-one-year-on-so-how-s-it-going/ar-AAS8IXB?ocid=entnewsntp

[Lordo]

Ironically this of course really cuases Cyprus quite a pain financially speaking. Any refugees coming on a boat through Turkey cannot be turned back as Turkey is not in the EU.

This is the irony because Cyprus did verything to block Turkish entry to the EU on the grounds that they would put pressure Turkey to give concessions in the talks. They certainly did not do that but ended up taking some of the pain and I mean more than their fair share of the western failing policies in the region.

You cannot make it up. Talk of digging your own grave.

What is worse is that I have witnessed a man digging his own grave. Three people were shot and were due to be burried where I lived. In the last moment it was decided to bury them in Lefkosha. What was worse was 2 days later one of the grave diggers died and got burried in the very grave he dug.

[Pyrpolizer]

I told you once I told you a million times. Give me en axample of a single country these people are from where you consider them to be bogus.

I will give you one Lordo. Vietnam.

Also you are wrong about Libya accepting "migrants" All they were accepting was foreign workers, obtaining work permit/visa in advance from the Libyan Embassy.

[Lordo]

Lets not split hairs. They point is western workers were going there for work. And the situation has reversed. So we are making progress but why? That is the question.

As to Vietnam, they were bombed to kindon come. America dropped more bombs on vietnam than all the bombs dropped by all sides in WW2. The Germans and the japonese industry got help to rebuild their industry, what did the vietnamese get?
And you think wanting to leave that country is bogus?

People do not leave there homeland unless they are desperate. And risk being killed in the process too and for what to come to uk and work in the nails industry.

You have to ask why? Why do some Vietnamese want to leave vietnam.

[Paphitis]

BAck to the idea of returning refugees to a safe country.

As I said before there is no such paragraph under UN convention on refugees. Ironically there is such law in the EU but it is very specific about where you return the refugees. It is not any old country but the EU country they first set foot on. That rule is called the Dublin rule. And here is the irony of it all. UK having left the EU can no longer apply that rule besides the fact that UK case law is very specific. You cannot return people back till you have evaluated their status.

To all those against refugee rights, shove that in your pipes and smoke it babies.

Why are you boys so shy to discuss any country that these people hare running away from. Give me en example of where people are claiming refugee or assylum against and lets have a look at it. The perfect example is Libya.

Why Libya you may ask. Very simple it is because Libya is a country that used to accept migrants never mind refugees from Europe and Cyprus. So how did it turn upside down.

I get a feeling some members here have the attention span of a fish.

You are completely wrong.

In order to be a refugee fleeing war and so on, you have to be fleeing from a country that is at war, and even then it is really up to the host country as their laws take precedence.

If people get on a boat in Turkey, atte,pt a perilous sea journey to get into Greece, then Greece has the right to intercept these boats at the border and return them to Turkey. The questiion here is whether the illegal migrants have crossed the border. It's not the case that Greece has to accept them if they are in Greece's EEZ or SAR zone.

The SAR zone only applies to ships and boats which are in distress or grave fanger. Then Greece has SAR obligations.

These boats were neither in Distress nor Grave danger. they were only boats purporting that they were, but in actual fact, they were boats full of illegal migrants which were aided and abbetted by Organised crime and human traffickers, which the illegal migrants paid in Turkey to cross into Greece and the EU.

Secondly, even if the bnoats crossed the border, it is very likely that Greece will reject this and claim they didn't. Who would know for sure? This would be illegal, but there is no UN there to see. The Hellenic Navy will follow its orders handed down from their chain of command and which ultimately come from The Prime Minister. So it's not a win situation for the illegal migrants.

In addition, most countries would reject the UN. The UN's an external body which eah country chooses to be a member of for peace and stability. The time the UN throws its weight around and claining that their treaties or "laws" as you put it trump a sovereign states laws against its own interests is the day the UN undermines that countries willingness to be a member.

Many countries have threatened the UN with withdrawal, and even stopping funding. Australia was one of those countries that actually threatened withdrawal from the UN and actually withdrew its representaives from the UN for 6 months and would not even sit at the UN. It withdrew its representatives many times.

In addition to this, Turkey claims these waters as its own. Illegally I might add. Therefore, the illegal migrants are Turkey's responsibility.

[Lordo]

BAck to the idea of returning refugees to a safe country.

As I said before there is no such paragraph under UN convention on refugees. Ironically there is such law in the EU but it is very specific about where you return the refugees. It is not any old country but the EU country they first set foot on. That rule is called the Dublin rule. And here is the irony of it all. UK having left the EU can no longer apply that rule besides the fact that UK case law is very specific. You cannot return people back till you have evaluated their status.

To all those against refugee rights, shove that in your pipes and smoke it babies.

Why are you boys so shy to discuss any country that these people hare running away from. Give me en example of where people are claiming refugee or assylum against and lets have a look at it. The perfect example is Libya.

Why Libya you may ask. Very simple it is because Libya is a country that used to accept migrants never mind refugees from Europe and Cyprus. So how did it turn upside down.

I get a feeling some members here have the attention span of a fish.

You are completely wrong.

In order to be a refugee fleeing war and so on, you have to be fleeing from a country that is at war, and even then it is really up to the host country as their laws take precedence.

If people get on a boat in Turkey, atte,pt a perilous sea journey to get into Greece, then Greece has the right to intercept these boats at the border and return them to Turkey. The questin here is whether the illegal migrants have crossed the border. It's not the case that Greece has to accept them if they are in Greece's EEZ or SAR zone.

The SAR zone only applies to ships and boats which are in distress or grave fanger. Then Greece has SAR obligations.

These boats were neither in Distress or Grave danger. they were only boats purporting that they were, but in actual fact, they were boats full of illegal migrants which were aided and abbetted by Organised crime and human traffickers, which the illegal migrants paid in Turkey to cross into Greece and the EU.

Secondly, even if the bnoats crossed the border, it is very likely that Greece will reject this and claim they didn't. This would be illegal, but there is no UN there to see. The Hellenic Navy will follow its orders handed down from their chain of command and which ultimately come from The Prime Minister. So it's not a win situation for the illegal migrants.

In addition, most countries would reject the UN. the UNs an external body which eah country chooses to be a member offor peace and stability. The time the UN throws its weight around and claining that their treaties or laws as you put it trump a sovereign states laws against its own interests is the day the UN undermines that countries willingness to be a member.

Many countries have threatened the UN with withdrawal, and even stopping funding.

In addition to this, Turkey claims these waters as its own. Illegally I might add. Therefore, the illegal migrants are Turkey's responsibility.

Interesting thats not what it says. But you have the attention span of a fish is all you see.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so.

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/

[Paphitis]

How the fuck can you decide a person is a bogus assylum seeker before looking at their indivdual cases.

I am talking about cases that have gone through the asylum process and have been given legal verdicts,

85-90% of them are bogus. 85-90% of the people coming to the EU, most probably have a bogus claim to asylum too.

You are talking rubbish.

100% are bogus, including the Syrian refugees. Because they are attempting an illegal crosasing from a country that is in peace and which also offers protection and isn't persecuting them.

[Paphitis]

BAck to the idea of returning refugees to a safe country.

As I said before there is no such paragraph under UN convention on refugees. Ironically there is such law in the EU but it is very specific about where you return the refugees. It is not any old country but the EU country they first set foot on. That rule is called the Dublin rule. And here is the irony of it all. UK having left the EU can no longer apply that rule besides the fact that UK case law is very specific. You cannot return people back till you have evaluated their status.

To all those against refugee rights, shove that in your pipes and smoke it babies.

Why are you boys so shy to discuss any country that these people hare running away from. Give me en example of where people are claiming refugee or assylum against and lets have a look at it. The perfect example is Libya.

Why Libya you may ask. Very simple it is because Libya is a country that used to accept migrants never mind refugees from Europe and Cyprus. So how did it turn upside down.

I get a feeling some members here have the attention span of a fish.

You are completely wrong.

In order to be a refugee fleeing war and so on, you have to be fleeing from a country that is at war, and even then it is really up to the host country as their laws take precedence.

If people get on a boat in Turkey, atte,pt a perilous sea journey to get into Greece, then Greece has the right to intercept these boats at the border and return them to Turkey. The questin here is whether the illegal migrants have crossed the border. It's not the case that Greece has to accept them if they are in Greece's EEZ or SAR zone.

The SAR zone only applies to ships and boats which are in distress or grave fanger. Then Greece has SAR obligations.

These boats were neither in Distress or Grave danger. they were only boats purporting that they were, but in actual fact, they were boats full of illegal migrants which were aided and abbetted by Organised crime and human traffickers, which the illegal migrants paid in Turkey to cross into Greece and the EU.

Secondly, even if the bnoats crossed the border, it is very likely that Greece will reject this and claim they didn't. This would be illegal, but there is no UN there to see. The Hellenic Navy will follow its orders handed down from their chain of command and which ultimately come from The Prime Minister. So it's not a win situation for the illegal migrants.

In addition, most countries would reject the UN. the UNs an external body which eah country chooses to be a member offor peace and stability. The time the UN throws its weight around and claining that their treaties or laws as you put it trump a sovereign states laws against its own interests is the day the UN undermines that countries willingness to be a member.

Many countries have threatened the UN with withdrawal, and even stopping funding.

In addition to this, Turkey claims these waters as its own. Illegally I might add. Therefore, the illegal migrants are Turkey's responsibility.

Interesting thats not what it says. But you have the attention span of a fish is all you see.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so.

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/

And these illegal migrants do not have a valid claim that they are fleeing war, or persecution from Turkey.

I can tell you from Australia's experience.

50,000 people dead at sea.

Then Australia had a policy to turn back all boats which they did. No boat was allowed in, and anyone who attempted were sent to concentration camps.

No one attempted to cross EVER again.

So in actual fact, Australia saved thousands of lives.

Secondly, you can't have it both ways. According to Turkey, Greece does not have an EEZ or a SAR zone that it recognises. Henceforth, these boats are in waters claimed by Turkey. In order to cross into Greece, they have to actually pass Mykonos.

Turjey's responsibility according to your Caliphate's leader.

[Maximus]

Ironically this of course really cuases Cyprus quite a pain financially speaking. Any refugees coming on a boat through Turkey cannot be turned back as Turkey is not in the EU.

This is the irony because Cyprus did verything to block Turkish entry to the EU on the grounds that they would put pressure Turkey to give concessions in the talks. They certainly did not do that but ended up taking some of the pain and I mean more than their fair share of the western failing policies in the region.

You cannot make it up. Talk of digging your own grave.

What is worse is that I have witnessed a man digging his own grave. Three people were shot and were due to be burried where I lived. In the last moment it was decided to bury them in Lefkosha. What was worse was 2 days later one of the grave diggers died and got burried in the very grave he dug.

Cyprus only blocked Turkey's accession to the EU for legitimate reasons.

Even without Cyprus's veto, other countries would have blocked Turkey's accession to the EU for legitimate reasons.

Turkey cant do what she has to do to become a member of the EU anyway. Turkey is like someone who wants to be a medical doctors, but doesn't pass the exams.

You are just a dreamer.

[Lordo]

How the fuck can you decide a person is a bogus assylum seeker before looking at their indivdual cases.

I am talking about cases that have gone through the asylum process and have been given legal verdicts,

85-90% of them are bogus. 85-90% of the people coming to the EU, most probably have a bogus claim to asylum too.

You are talking rubbish.

100% are bogus, including the Syrian refugees. Because they are attempting an illegal crosasing from a country that is in peace and which also offers protection and isn't persecuting them.

Swim along reh psari