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[Lordo]

This is very good too.

[Maximus]

Its BS,

He is complaining that an employee has to produce more than what he gets paid.

If you work for a company at $20 per hour, of course you have to produce more than $20 worth.

The alternative is to set up your own business and employ people. But you are not going to do that if its not worth it either..

Whats stopping anyone setting up a business and giving all the profit to the employees. If that's how you want to do it, go and do it.

[Lordo]

Last one for today

[Lordo]

Its BS,

He is complaining that an employee has to produce more than what he gets paid.

If you work for a company at $20 per hour, of course you have to produce more than $20 worth.

The alternative is to set up your own business and employ people. But you are not going to do that if its not worth it either..

Whats stopping anyone setting up a business and giving all the profit to the employees. If that's how you want to do it, go and do it.

Why are you so simple. What it is at issue is how much does the employer pay to the worker in terms of percentage of what they produce. This is why i asked you to work out what the workers are paid for what they produce. I know because I did it for 10 years before I found my feet to start my first business. I got paid less than 10% of what I produced personally. I agree that there are others that need to be paid in the process so it is a matter of balance. Directors other top people get 10s of millions. That is the issue but you do not seem to understand what is said.

It is not just that you have to produce more than 20 pounds, the issue is how much more. That is in the heart of the problem. Distribution of wealth.

[Maximus]

if it was a question of people being paid fairly, I would be with you on that.

Lets keep it simple.

Lets say there are 10 sales people working at a company plus 1 manager, plus 1 cleaner, plus 3 delivery drivers.

You have to expect those 10 sales people to produce much much much more than what they get paid. To cover all costs, their wages and the wages for the other employees.

You cant get rid of the other employees, because they are necessary for the smooth running of the business.

If you want to pay the cleaner more, the sales people have to produce more.

There wouldnt be a need for employing a cleaner, or a delivery driver without the 10 sales people.

So capitalism isnt all that bad when you think of it, some people are producing enough to pay the wages of other people who are in a supporting role.

[Paphitis]

Its BS,

He is complaining that an employee has to produce more than what he gets paid.

If you work for a company at $20 per hour, of course you have to produce more than $20 worth.

The alternative is to set up your own business and employ people. But you are not going to do that if its not worth it either..

Whats stopping anyone setting up a business and giving all the profit to the employees. If that's how you want to do it, go and do it.

Yeh because if they don't produce, the employer only has one option - to sack the bloodsucking waste of space employee.

It's not rocket science. Business is business, not charity or welfare.

If the employee doesn't produce more than his wage, the employer goes bankrupt.

[Paphitis]

Its BS,

He is complaining that an employee has to produce more than what he gets paid.

If you work for a company at $20 per hour, of course you have to produce more than $20 worth.

The alternative is to set up your own business and employ people. But you are not going to do that if its not worth it either..

Whats stopping anyone setting up a business and giving all the profit to the employees. If that's how you want to do it, go and do it.

Why are you so simple. What it is at issue is how much does the employer pay to the worker in terms of percentage of what they produce. This is why i asked you to work out what the workers are paid for what they produce. I know because I did it for 10 years before I found my feet to start my first business. I got paid less than 10% of what I produced personally. I agree that there are others that need to be paid in the process so it is a matter of balance. Directors other top people get 10s of millions. That is the issue but you do not seem to understand what is said.

It is not just that you have to produce more than 20 pounds, the issue is how much more. That is in the heart of the problem. Distribution of wealth.

DSiretors get paid dividends because the friggin own the business. They put their own money on the line.

[Lordo]

Have you seen how the gap between the profits and wages has risen in the last 20 years due to usage of computers? Paying minimum wage to workers in those circumstances is legalised criminality. But the crime is not just committed against those workers, it is also committed against us too. Those of us who live in countries that recognise human rights pay help workers to be able to live by paying them in the form of Universal credit. This payment is subsiding the billionaires of this world.

To not be able to see that requires particularly low level of understanding. What I would call sub-human.

The Germans have another law which works to help balance wages against profit. Any company with more than 500 employees has workers elected for the board so the workers get to learn exactly what is being said by who on the board. Who would have said that the descendants of the Nazis would be the most civilised of them all?
It is not just that either. Workers there get better health service and better pensions too. And of course, the workers there produce better cars too.

[Lordo]

There is another poverty which we do not hear about. Corporation take out their manufacturing to the developing world where the workers have no rights at all and get paid lower than a living wage there by their own standards, and then sell their goods as if they are produced here, so they double up the profit. All legal and proper of course.
I do not know how they sleep at night.

[Lordo]

Has anybody actually looked at this graph properly. You can employe huge numbers of people if you pay them nothing. And you cannot emloy anybody if you increase their wages to say 70,000 a year.
Who the hell came up with this graph. I bet this swine had a single cell brain. You can extrapulate from this that if you charge people to employ them, you can employ millions of workers too. What the hell?