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[Lordo]

It seems to me if the 80% of refugees are successful in their application for asylum in Uk. France and Germany, if only 4% are successful in Cyprus then the issue is the way they are being processed in Cyprus. I have a feeling an Elam member is responsible for processing them.

Refugees are not fooled by gangs yo migrate, of all people we the Cupriots should understand that except of course the donkeys who will not drink water even if you put yhe bucket ingot of them.

[Lordo]

If uou want to apply to uk for migration these are the conditions you have to satisfy. In the meantime there is half a million unfilled
[url]https://www.y-axis.com/visa/work/uk-skilled-worker-visa/#:~:text=You%20need%20to%20have%20a,above%20(A%20Level%20and%20equivalent)][/url]

[Paphitis]

...very good link, thanks Max.

Cyprus is one of the top 10 countries in the EU regarding the number of effective returns of third country nationals to their countries of origin. The return rate in Cyprus is higher than the EU average rate. Since 2020 the number of returns has increased more than 400%.

...it cannot be said that the Government is doing nothing; but the issue still seems overwhelming.

...the "agents" have a lot to do with the deception(s) young ambitious person find themselves entangled in; but they are neither Cypriot for the most part, and, their malice occurs outside of Cyprus' jurisdiction.

...perhaps setting up in Africa, Cypriot Consuls to seek out such bright and energetic people (having some skill and money too); informing and guiding them directly will put a dent in the business of those who do this business now: a matter of cost/benefit analysis i suggest worth looking into.

If Cyprus continues down this road, I will settle my interests in Cyprus in the next 2 or so years and I'll never be going to Cyprus ever again.

I already told this to my wife. Greece will be my last stop and she can go by herself and meet up with me again in Greece. Cyprus is losing its identity and if that happens, then things will never be the same.

You are far too small for mass migration and Cyprus will have big problems.

[Londonrake]

If Cyprus continues down this road, I will settle my interests in Cyprus in the next 2 or so years and I'll never be going to Cyprus ever again.

Wait a minute…………………………… it’s your round!

[Paphitis]

If Cyprus continues down this road, I will settle my interests in Cyprus in the next 2 or so years and I'll never be going to Cyprus ever again.

Wait a minute…………………………… it’s your round!

I don't mind you guys - Brits in general. Pretty much on the same wavelengths and Europeans and similar.

But Cypriot demographics are changing too fast with 'others' from Africa and the Far East and crime is increasing too. I bet even the Cypriot Authorities don't know who is in the country. It's out of control.

And I'm flabbergasted that someone would propose setting up a processing centre in Africa to bring more in.

The beauty of Cyprus is the Cypriot Culture, and way of life. If that gets diluted even more, then Cyprus doesn't have the same level of attraction as it once use to.

Cyprus needs to harden its borders and even make it harder for people to come and go across the Green Line. If Cyprus doesn't know how to do it, then it's probably about time to start looking at what the Australian's have been doing for decades, as well as the US, Canada and now UK.

And the EU can't do bugger all about it.

This type of migration in Cyprus will end up being a terrible disaster for Cyprus.

[repulsewarrior]

...Cyprus needs migrants, it is a matter of demographics if 'we' want to continue in prosperity, growth is needed.

...illegal migration needs to be stopped at its root, Human traffickers profit from their victims' having no other source of information; what has the greater benefit, ask yourselves.

Let's be clear, not a processing center, Consuls, people who inform and direct inquiries being helpful; direct intelligence on and direct 'competition' for such criminals to contend with.

(maybe processing centers in Africa is/are a good idea, Europe needs migration too; is it worth thinking about or too complex, who would host them to start with: ?)

...progress, social-exchange, can be resisted but it is not stopped. Cyprus being the crossroad to three continents can expect to be the center of such movement.

...if you do not embrace the notion of 'Cypriotness', neither will such notions as "Greekness" or "Turkishness" prevail. At the heart of it, this is the Problem.

Don't you know any Nigerians or from the continent of Africa who speak Greek? I do, not one, a few no less, working abroad as in Canada with fellow citizens such people will tell you how they love Greeks because by (learning and) speaking it they survived (read: escaped) whatever it was they were getting away from because Greeks (ship owners and Captains) helped. I celebrate such a 'Greekness' and it goes both ways; think about it.

[Paphitis]

...Cyprus needs migrants, it is a matter of demographics if 'we' want to continue in prosperity, growth is needed.

...illegal migration needs to be stopped at its root, Human traffickers profit from their victims' having no other source of information; what has the greater benefit, ask yourselves.

Let's be clear, not a processing center, Consuls, people who inform and direct inquiries being helpful; direct intelligence on and direct 'competition' for such criminals to contend with.

(maybe processing centers in Africa is/are a good idea, Europe needs migration too; is it worth thinking about or too complex, who would host them to start with: ?)

...progress, social-exchange, can be resisted but it is not stopped. Cyprus being the crossroad to three continents can expect to be the center of such movement.

...if you do not embrace the notion of 'Cypriotness', neither will such notions as "Greekness" or "Turkishness" prevail. At the heart of it, this is the Problem.

Don't you know any Nigerians or from the continent of Africa who speak Greek? I do, not one, a few no less, working abroad as in Canada with fellow citizens such people will tell you how they love Greeks because by (learning and) speaking it they survived (read: escaped) whatever it was they were getting away from because Greeks (ship owners and Captains) helped. I celebrate such a 'Greekness' and it goes both ways; think about it.

You have to be very careful with migration, and on target particular migrants from particular countries.

You definitely here this argument in all countries including Merika and Australia that they need migrant workers. Especially business and corporates are those who instigate it. But what they really mean is that they want migrants to exploit for cheaper labour. What they can do is raise the minimum wages slightly to get locals back into those types of jobs.

As for property growth, how much do we really want. Cypriot property is increasing at a phenomenal rate. I was shocked at property prices this year and there are no signs of it stopping anytime soon. Do we keep going to make it impossible for Cypriots to buy a house? That's where it will end up.

Property increases are good, but only at a sustainable level.

[Lordo]

The issue of migration us a complex one. If you take it just from the moment the application is made rather than why you begin to appreciate who is the real beneficiary.

First of all the loser is the country the people are leaving. Brain drain is a recognised fact. My secondary school teacher was discussing this back in early 70s.
The Migrants do not benefit in the first instance as the pay they receive does not cover the extra cost of living.
The real benefit goes to the country that receives the Migrants as they attract the best brains and it costs less than the resident workers. Add to that the fact that it also drives down the wages of the resident workers and there is only the corporations that benefit. Of course the country receiving the Migrants also benefit from extra tax they receive.
So, this explains why 1 million people were allowed to migrate to uk last year. So why attack 40000 odd small boat people? It is necessary to keep the racist swine to continue to vote for the government.and yet these are the very people who would work with lowest wages and do the jobs locals never do.

What a swine world we live in.

[Paphitis]

The issue of migration us a complex one. If you take it just from the moment the application is made rather than why you begin to appreciate who is the real beneficiary.

First of all the loser is the country the people are leaving. Brain drain is a recognised fact. My secondary school teacher was discussing this back in early 70s.
The Migrants do not benefit in the first instance as the pay they receive does not cover the extra cost of living.
The real benefit goes to the country that receives the Migrants as they attract the best brains and it costs less than the resident workers. Add to that the fact that it also drives down the wages of the resident workers and there is only the corporations that benefit. Of course the country receiving the Migrants also benefit from extra tax they receive.
So, this explains why 1 million people were allowed to migrate to uk last year. So why attack 40000 odd small boat people? It is necessary to keep the racist swine to continue to vote for the government.and yet these are the very people who would work with lowest wages and do the jobs locals never do.

What a swine world we live in.

the types of migrants Cyprus has, are not the kind of migrants Cyprus can benefit from

Most are probably illegal migrants with no skills and no money.

They are more like economic refugees that have managed to get to the occupied and come across the soft Green Line into the EU controlled areas,

A brain drain on countries occurs when a particular country accepts a migrant on a VISA because they have something to offer that country - sometimes skills where those skills and qualifications are in short supply, or even business and money.

For example, the US E-3 VISA that targets Australian Citizens in particular for careers in Aviation. This is a brain Drain for Australia, and a Brain Gain for Merika.

But it also happens in reverse as Australia also targets American Citizens for similar skills and Visas. So the flows are like a 2 way street. Australians leaving Australia for Merika and Merikans leaving Merika for Australia. This type of migration is healthy and productive.

[Londonrake]

The issue of migration us a complex one. If you take it just from the moment the application is made rather than why you begin to appreciate who is the real beneficiary.

First of all the loser is the country the people are leaving. Brain drain is a recognised fact. My secondary school teacher was discussing this back in early 70s.
The Migrants do not benefit in the first instance as the pay they receive does not cover the extra cost of living.
The real benefit goes to the country that receives the Migrants as they attract the best brains and it costs less than the resident workers. Add to that the fact that it also drives down the wages of the resident workers and there is only the corporations that benefit. Of course the country receiving the Migrants also benefit from extra tax they receive.
So, this explains why 1 million people were allowed to migrate to uk last year. So why attack 40000 odd small boat people? It is necessary to keep the racist swine to continue to vote for the government.and yet these are the very people who would work with lowest wages and do the jobs locals never do.

What a swine world we live in.

In your mind you seem to have this idealistic view of a worldly Utopia. One where everybody looks through a sort of travel agency type book and decides where they want to live. Goes there and is welcomed with open arms. Destined to settle and integrate, making a welcome contribution to their new home.

But - the world isn't like that. Just about every country has this odd idea that they want to control who enters or leaves their borders.

As you've pointed out, a very large number of migrants (they ain't "refugees" they're after the land of milk and honey life and the vast majority are young Muslim men) have been assimilated over the past few years. 6 figures actually. Nevertheless, I will stick my neck out and say that the overwhelming majority of the population think that 50,000 a year crossing the channel in a year and illegally entering the country is unacceptable.

You omit, in your economic analysis, the fact that all of those tens of thousands have to be in some way housed, given benefits of some description or another, provided with healthcare and their children education.

Let's not talk about 7/7, London Bridge/Lee Rigby/the 4 people mowed down to death and policeman killed in March 2019 - and there's more.

Not to mention 270,000+ homeless (120,000 children), 10,000 living on the streets in London, including 4000 ex-forces veterans.

Listen mate. Again. Stop torturing yourself with all this stuff. You've spent enough time among all those swine. Come home. It's Paradise. Trust me.

Can you understand? The sense of betrayal? Probably not - in your fantasy Marxist world. Come home. There's lots of swine politics here to keep your wrist-slashing, depressive attitude occupied.

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