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[Lordo]

What we have currently is not sustainable. There is a better way of using resources as well as working less hour n a week and be just as productive. Just because this is how we have been doing things so far does not mean it has to continue this way. Every so often situation changes and adjustments are made. Those days where we gained a skill at uni and we used it all our lives is over. We need to re-skill when ever necessary.

It can be done and there does not have to be any suffering for anybody.

You are all pushing into wind.

Car pollution only accounts for 19% of CO2 emissions. And cars are becoming more efficient so that is in decline.

It’s industry that is the big polluter. Like fossil fuel electricity generation, and manufacturing.

...small modular reactors; they are coming soon.

As for cars, if you have the yard for it, having several is best; no single "car" suits all purposes. You can still make the commitment to ride a bike, and walk. You can make a commitment to use your car(s) less too.

Stop kidding yourselves. A reactor no matter how small or large has the same problem. The radioactive waste has to be deisposed and it is very expensive. The reason why they have been built is because the government assured the corporations that they will take the responsibility of disposal after decomissioning,
So we are paying for the electricity twice.

There is only one sustainable future and that is using nature without damaging it.

There is plenty of ways of doing this even without new technology. Mankind eventually comes up with combining existing technologies to create a new supply.

Here is a lovely example.

Egyptian man used steam power in his barber shop and a few hundred years later a Syrian man built a traack to pull his horse draw wagons for his crops. Sixteen hundred od years later the Steam engin and the railways were created.

[repulsewarrior]

Thorium has the quality of being easy to control passively, and the waste produced in using it as fuel is manageable with a decay time in hundreds, not thousands of years.

...you should reconsider what was relevant facts fifty years ago; since then much more research has been done in reference to the failings this technology has.

There will be China's small modular reactors (SMRs) soon to come on line to consider. Those being developed in the USA, Canada, and India are receiving approval by their respective regulatory bodies, but their infrastructure is far behind compared to China. In any case, they are economically viable, and because of their small footprint, they may be installed at existing coal fired generating plants to replace its equipment, benefiting from the turbines etc. and the additional steam capacity for high temperature industrial applications.

...they produce no CO2 themselves, and they are over their life time, closer to being net zero producers than all their competitors, as well.

There is great potential for comprehensive solutions that will combine an array of energy production methods at the same plants. Storage methods of power in molten salt is well known and efficient using solar power for example. No one solution is the panacea for our energy needs, and, our need to induce far less stress on the planet itself for it. As such, nuclear power is, along with hydro, sun and wind, an option under this new frame of mind.

[Lordo]

Even if a few hundred years, the reactor will not be used after a few decades so it has to be kept safe and all the radiated materials too. It is so much more costly when we have natural resourses we can use that does not involve raidoactivity of any kind. The only thing stopping us are the corporations who oahev invested in these technologies and want to kepp them going as long as poss to maximise their profits. Our government are elected to look after our own inyerests but they have not even begun doing that as yet.

[Get Real!]

Government subsidies the world around are full of shit...

“California Looks To Stab Rooftop Solar Customers In The Back With Massive Incentive Rollback, New Fees”

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/califo ... e-rollback


These people have spent several thousand based on a government promise of getting their money's worth after an X amount of years… a promise that can be broken and you'll' be left with the whole bill and a monstrosity sitting on your rooftop!

I’m hearing of similar government backtracking in Cyprus too, so I'm glad I didn't go ahead with this.

[Paphitis]

Government subsidies the world around are full of shit...

“California Looks To Stab Rooftop Solar Customers In The Back With Massive Incentive Rollback, New Fees”

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/califo ... e-rollback


These people have spent several thousand based on a government promise of getting their money's worth after an X amount of years… a promise that can be broken and you'll' be left with the whole bill and a monstrosity sitting on your rooftop!

I’m hearing of similar government backtracking in Cyprus too, so I'm glad I didn't go ahead with this.

Yes because the incentives have made power too expensive and forced the price of power to go up at a rate far beyond inflation.

Thus, hitting on the most vulnerable and poor who can't afford solar panels.

[Paphitis]

You simply can't travel acoss Australia or the States in an EV.

You simply can in the US.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/30/yo ... y-america/

Yes, it’s a bit like when Route 66 was built in the 1920’s as a direct route between Los Angeles and Chicago which many travelers used as it was very convenient with petrol station, motels and restaurants. Today, sadly it is mostly gone, but many still drive parts of it for nostalgic purposes because many now use the major Interstate network to travel and save time. In time, America will become fully EV all over the country to aid travelers much more efficiently. It will take some time to get some people out of their big SUVs, but it will happen eventually.

Vehicles have to be fit for purpose. That is, fit for the purpose you want to use them for.

SUVs, Utes are fantastic, because of their high Torque, giving them great towing capacity. Great for families. Great for going offroad and exploring the country.

Therefore, if you are in the US, or Australia, want to explore, love 4 wheeling, need to tow a caravan, go offroad to discover the countryside, go fishing or camping with the family, then you can't beat an SUV or UTE 4x4. More room to carry the things you need. And a strong vehicle to get yourself into trouble, and out of trouble. If you are not into that, and just put around the city and never venture out, then these SUVs/Utes are not fit for your intended usage.

EV's are not able to provide such a vehicle and probably never will be able to. However, Hybrid version will start to come out in 2023. The new Raptor is coming out with a Hybrid option. And it offers plenty of Torque. 630 if I remember correctly. But it isn't my thing. Only because the battery packs are another thing that can go wrong and they don't last long before you need to spend thousands to replace it. Plus they are a fire risk in an accident. So Diesal is very much king. Or the 5.7L Petrol Silverado (my new fave).

And again, first thing to do to these bueatiful cars is remove all the Environmental Protection junk and fit a catch can and the manufacturer can jam their warranty where the sun don't shine. And never follow the recommended maintenance cycles. You service your car every 5000km.

These vehicles are pretty much recreational vehicles. These Utes, hold the top 2 spots in sales in Australia, America, Canada and many other places like Thailand, UAE etc etc.

maybe not in Europe or Cyprus, because you have idiot Governments over there over taxing you.

I'm not against EV, when they come up with one that xan do everything our SUVs/Utes can do and won't burn us alive in a freak accident where you may be trapped inside. But that day is a long way off.

[erolz66]

You simply can't travel acoss Australia or the States in an EV.

You simply can in the US.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/30/yo ... y-america/

Yes, it’s a bit like when Route 66 was built in the 1920’s as a direct route between Los Angeles and Chicago which many travelers used as it was very convenient with petrol station, motels and restaurants. Today, sadly it is mostly gone, but many still drive parts of it for nostalgic purposes because many now use the major Interstate network to travel and save time. In time, America will become fully EV all over the country to aid travelers much more efficiently. It will take some time to get some people out of their big SUVs, but it will happen eventually.

Vehicles have to be fit for purpose. That is, fit for the purpose you want to use them for.

SUVs, Utes are fantastic, because of their high Torque, giving them great towing capacity. Great for families. Great for going offroad and exploring the country.

Therefore, if you are in the US, or Australia, want to explore, love 4 wheeling, need to tow a caravan, go offroad to discover the countryside, go fishing or camping with the family, then you can't beat an SUV or UTE 4x4. More room to carry the things you need. And a strong vehicle to get yourself into trouble, and out of trouble. If you are not into that, and just put around the city and never venture out, then these SUVs/Utes are not fit for your intended usage.

EV's are not able to provide such a vehicle and probably never will be able to. However, Hybrid version will start to come out in 2023. The new Raptor is coming out with a Hybrid option. And it offers plenty of Torque. 630 if I remember correctly. But it isn't my thing. Only because the battery packs are another thing that can go wrong and they don't last long before you need to spend thousands to replace it. Plus they are a fire risk in an accident. So Diesal is very much king. Or the 5.7L Petrol Silverado (my new fave).

And again, first thing to do to these bueatiful cars is remove all the Environmental Protection junk and fit a catch can and the manufacturer can jam their warranty where the sun don't shine. And never follow the recommended maintenance cycles. You service your car every 5000km.

These vehicles are pretty much recreational vehicles. These Utes, hold the top 4 spots in sales in Australia, America, Canada and many other places like Thailand, UAE etc etc.

maybe not in Europe or Cyprus, because you have idiot Governments over there over taxing you.

I'm not against EV, when they come up with one that xan do everything our SUVs/Utes can do. But that day is a long way off.

First you claim you can not cross the US in an EV. Wrong and shown to be wrong

Now you claim (non electric) Ute's / SUV are great for towing because of their torque. Yet EV's have more torque than any diesel or petrol equivalent.

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-powe ... faster.htm

Electric vehicles generate much more torque than gas vehicles, which is important because torque is what drives the vehicle forward.

The range and breath of your ignorance and your willingness to display it here publicly never fail to amaze me.

[Paphitis]

You simply can't travel acoss Australia or the States in an EV.

You simply can in the US.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/30/yo ... y-america/

Yes, it’s a bit like when Route 66 was built in the 1920’s as a direct route between Los Angeles and Chicago which many travelers used as it was very convenient with petrol station, motels and restaurants. Today, sadly it is mostly gone, but many still drive parts of it for nostalgic purposes because many now use the major Interstate network to travel and save time. In time, America will become fully EV all over the country to aid travelers much more efficiently. It will take some time to get some people out of their big SUVs, but it will happen eventually.

Vehicles have to be fit for purpose. That is, fit for the purpose you want to use them for.

SUVs, Utes are fantastic, because of their high Torque, giving them great towing capacity. Great for families. Great for going offroad and exploring the country.

Therefore, if you are in the US, or Australia, want to explore, love 4 wheeling, need to tow a caravan, go offroad to discover the countryside, go fishing or camping with the family, then you can't beat an SUV or UTE 4x4. More room to carry the things you need. And a strong vehicle to get yourself into trouble, and out of trouble. If you are not into that, and just put around the city and never venture out, then these SUVs/Utes are not fit for your intended usage.

EV's are not able to provide such a vehicle and probably never will be able to. However, Hybrid version will start to come out in 2023. The new Raptor is coming out with a Hybrid option. And it offers plenty of Torque. 630 if I remember correctly. But it isn't my thing. Only because the battery packs are another thing that can go wrong and they don't last long before you need to spend thousands to replace it. Plus they are a fire risk in an accident. So Diesal is very much king. Or the 5.7L Petrol Silverado (my new fave).

And again, first thing to do to these bueatiful cars is remove all the Environmental Protection junk and fit a catch can and the manufacturer can jam their warranty where the sun don't shine. And never follow the recommended maintenance cycles. You service your car every 5000km.

These vehicles are pretty much recreational vehicles. These Utes, hold the top 4 spots in sales in Australia, America, Canada and many other places like Thailand, UAE etc etc.

maybe not in Europe or Cyprus, because you have idiot Governments over there over taxing you.

I'm not against EV, when they come up with one that xan do everything our SUVs/Utes can do. But that day is a long way off.

First you claim you can not cross the US in an EV. Wrong and shown to be wrong

Now you claim (non electric) Ute's / SUV are great for towing because of their torque. Yet EV's have more torque than any diesel or petrol equivalent.

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-powe ... faster.htm

Electric vehicles generate much more torque than gas vehicles, which is important because torque is what drives the vehicle forward.

The range and breath of your ignorance and your willingness to display it here publicly never fail to amaze me.

I just said that. The new generation Raptor/F150 will have a Hybrid option that can produce awesome torque. If I remember correctly, slightly more torque than the Diesal and US Petrol version but not more torgue than the US Raptor or Silverados which have a majestic 5.7L Petrol Engine. But that extra 20 Nm Torque, doesn't make it a viable option over the standard 3L Turbo Diesals, when you are carrying a lot of weight (battery).

Secondly, I know you can travel across the US in an EV, if you are patient enough with waiting to charge your vehicle every couple of hours. The US has many charging stations. But there are many places you can't go with an EV. In canada and Australia, you are pretty much stuffed and maybe able to do the Great Eastern Highway only that is between Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. After that, forget it. If you want to go down the guts of Australia, forget it. If you want to travel through the mid north of the US, forget it.

And once again, you have to wait for 25 minutes to get enough charge to do another 200 kms. Which probably isn't true - as it's probably more like 40 minutes to do 150kms. And if it's not a Tesla Supercharger, then charge time is 8 to 12 hours. Who is going towant to do that? In an ICE, you are in and out of a petrol station in 2 minutes. Plus you can carry fuel in 20L cans, in the tray. Or install a long range tank.

[Kikapu]

You simply can't travel acoss Australia or the States in an EV.

You simply can in the US.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/30/yo ... y-america/

Yes, it’s a bit like when Route 66 was built in the 1920’s as a direct route between Los Angeles and Chicago which many travelers used as it was very convenient with petrol station, motels and restaurants. Today, sadly it is mostly gone, but many still drive parts of it for nostalgic purposes because many now use the major Interstate network to travel and save time. In time, America will become fully EV all over the country to aid travelers much more efficiently. It will take some time to get some people out of their big SUVs, but it will happen eventually.

Vehicles have to be fit for purpose. That is, fit for the purpose you want to use them for.

SUVs, Utes are fantastic, because of their high Torque, giving them great towing capacity. Great for families. Great for going offroad and exploring the country.

Therefore, if you are in the US, or Australia, want to explore, love 4 wheeling, need to tow a caravan, go offroad to discover the countryside, go fishing or camping with the family, then you can't beat an SUV or UTE 4x4. More room to carry the things you need. And a strong vehicle to get yourself into trouble, and out of trouble. If you are not into that, and just put around the city and never venture out, then these SUVs/Utes are not fit for your intended usage.

EV's are not able to provide such a vehicle and probably never will be able to. However, Hybrid version will start to come out in 2023. The new Raptor is coming out with a Hybrid option. And it offers plenty of Torque. 630 if I remember correctly. But it isn't my thing. Only because the battery packs are another thing that can go wrong and they don't last long before you need to spend thousands to replace it. Plus they are a fire risk in an accident. So Diesal is very much king. Or the 5.7L Petrol Silverado (my new fave).

And again, first thing to do to these bueatiful cars is remove all the Environmental Protection junk and fit a catch can and the manufacturer can jam their warranty where the sun don't shine. And never follow the recommended maintenance cycles. You service your car every 5000km.

These vehicles are pretty much recreational vehicles. These Utes, hold the top 2 spots in sales in Australia, America, Canada and many other places like Thailand, UAE etc etc.

maybe not in Europe or Cyprus, because you have idiot Governments over there over taxing you.

I'm not against EV, when they come up with one that xan do everything our SUVs/Utes can do and won't burn us alive in a freak accident where you may be trapped inside. But that day is a long way off.

EV vehicles have a lot of torque. I have seen here in Switzerland EV buses with passengers speeding up hills no problem. Much better than normal diesel buses I would say. No doubt there are/will be full size trucks/18 wheelers on the roads. For the US market, once they are able to make EV vehicles, cars, buses and semi trucks achieve 600 miles/1000km in between charges, petrol and diesel vehicles will be history. 600miles /1000km is the average distance a commercial driver can achieve in a 10 hours allowed to drive after 8 hours rest, which will be enough time to charge up the batteries at truck stops.

Husband/wife teams will keep their diesel trucks a while longer as they drive almost non stop as they share the driving while one sleeps in the cab with a bed. They can drive across the US in 3 days and nights. Once a full charge can be achieved for trucks under two hours, they too will use the EV trucks as it will be far more comfortable and quieter in the cab. That would allow these truckers to sit down for a meal and take a shower or two at a truck stop.

[Paphitis]

You simply can't travel acoss Australia or the States in an EV.

You simply can in the US.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/30/yo ... y-america/

Yes, it’s a bit like when Route 66 was built in the 1920’s as a direct route between Los Angeles and Chicago which many travelers used as it was very convenient with petrol station, motels and restaurants. Today, sadly it is mostly gone, but many still drive parts of it for nostalgic purposes because many now use the major Interstate network to travel and save time. In time, America will become fully EV all over the country to aid travelers much more efficiently. It will take some time to get some people out of their big SUVs, but it will happen eventually.

Vehicles have to be fit for purpose. That is, fit for the purpose you want to use them for.

SUVs, Utes are fantastic, because of their high Torque, giving them great towing capacity. Great for families. Great for going offroad and exploring the country.

Therefore, if you are in the US, or Australia, want to explore, love 4 wheeling, need to tow a caravan, go offroad to discover the countryside, go fishing or camping with the family, then you can't beat an SUV or UTE 4x4. More room to carry the things you need. And a strong vehicle to get yourself into trouble, and out of trouble. If you are not into that, and just put around the city and never venture out, then these SUVs/Utes are not fit for your intended usage.

EV's are not able to provide such a vehicle and probably never will be able to. However, Hybrid version will start to come out in 2023. The new Raptor is coming out with a Hybrid option. And it offers plenty of Torque. 630 if I remember correctly. But it isn't my thing. Only because the battery packs are another thing that can go wrong and they don't last long before you need to spend thousands to replace it. Plus they are a fire risk in an accident. So Diesal is very much king. Or the 5.7L Petrol Silverado (my new fave).

And again, first thing to do to these bueatiful cars is remove all the Environmental Protection junk and fit a catch can and the manufacturer can jam their warranty where the sun don't shine. And never follow the recommended maintenance cycles. You service your car every 5000km.

These vehicles are pretty much recreational vehicles. These Utes, hold the top 2 spots in sales in Australia, America, Canada and many other places like Thailand, UAE etc etc.

maybe not in Europe or Cyprus, because you have idiot Governments over there over taxing you.

I'm not against EV, when they come up with one that xan do everything our SUVs/Utes can do and won't burn us alive in a freak accident where you may be trapped inside. But that day is a long way off.

EV vehicles have a lot of torque. I have seen here in Switzerland EV buses with passengers speeding up hills no problem. Much better than normal diesel buses I would say. No doubt there are/will be full size trucks/18 wheelers on the roads. For the US market, once they are able to make EV vehicles, cars, buses and semi trucks achieve 600 miles/1000km in between charges, petrol and diesel vehicles will be history. 600miles /1000km is the average distance a commercial driver can achieve in a 10 hours allowed to drive after 8 hours rest, which will be enough time to charge up the batteries at truck stops.

Husband/wife teams will keep their diesel trucks a while longer as they drive almost non stop as they share the driving while one sleeps in the cab with a bed. They can drive across the US in 3 days and nights. Once a full charge can be achieved for trucks under two hours, they too will use the EV trucks as it will be far more comfortable and quieter in the cab. That would allow these truckers to sit down for a meal and take a shower or two at a truck stop.

An EV can not do what a normal SUV/Ute 4x4 can do. For instance, it isn't viable to criss cross Australia, or the US for that matter, going offroad to secluded parts of the country for the purpose of your family vacation, camp or road trip.

And they do not have the same power to weight ratio. For instance, the new Hybrid Raptor with it's extra torque doesn't have a better power to weight ratio as it's 200kg heavier.

they are not making an EV version, even though they can, because such a Ute would be pretty much useless for what its intended use is.

And from what I know, the Diesal and Petrol versions will outselll the Hybrid by a country mile.

Good luck with the 600 miles on a single charge. Might be possible on a truck but in a Car, you would need 2 tonnes worth in Lithium Ion batteries.