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[Lordo]

Who would have said this could be happening in an EU country. Teachers told to tear of pages out of books? Where are we heading?

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/09/08/ministry-asks-teachers-to-tear-ataturk-page-from-english-book/?swcfpc=1&fbclid=IwAR1UDXXRxvbUNf_8TdVEPe4-RxXzPkssihpVdm_jn-7oqfGuTr8izE8bN6Q

[repulsewarrior]

"...and here it is,
the ugly head of "Greekness", to tear
at the very page, as though
by doing so, it will no longer be there.

What is it with dogma that turns relatively ordinary people into the very "Them" they say they are against?
Cyprus is not "Turkish". Cyprus is not "Greek". Cypriots, Greek and Turkish, in affect are their victims.
...a "Greek", a "Turk", are the same because of their intentions;

Cypriots exist, far ahead as Citizens of the World."

[Maximus]

Tearing pages out of books, is that all?

How about tearing territory out of countries?

https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-syria/will ... -quarterly

Bordo is the product of this very thing then educated with the BS in Turkish books instead.

[Lordo]

So this is the fellow who made this happen.

"Prodromos Prodromou was born in Tubingen, Germany, on 23 November 1958.
He graduated from the Pancyprian Gymnasium in Nicosia, in 1976, and has completed his military service in the National Guard (1976-1978) at the rank of Second Lieutenant. He continued his studies in Paris, having being awarded a number of scholarships, including from the Government of France and the Leventis Foundation. He holds post-graduate degrees and diplomas in Economics and Political Science from Universite de Paris-X-Nanterre and in Sociology from Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales.

He has authored several books and many articles.

Prior to his appointment as Minister of Education, Culture, Sport and Youth, on 3 December 2019, he served as Government Spokesman (2018-2019).

From 1985 to 1996 he was employed as an economist in the Economic Research Department of the Central Bank of Cyprus, working with international organizations such as the IMF and the World Bank, and in the fields of Exchange Rate Policy, Foreign Debt, Balance of Payments and the Tourism Industry. During the same period, he taught at a number of academic institutions of higher learning, including Sociology and Communication at KES College, Political Science at the Higher Technical Institute, and Sociology at the Cyprus Police Academy. He was also publisher and director of the weekly newspaper "Neos Typos" (New Press), which he founded in 1999, as well as a producer, host and contributor for several talk shows on a number of major TV and Radio channels. He also served as correspondent for a number of French publications such as "Confluences Mediterranee" and "Revue de politique comparee." Mr Prodromou served as a member of the House of Representatives for a total of 13 years (11 years with the Democratic Rally and 2 years with the European Democracy party), holding several posts that included the following: Deputy Parliamentary Spokesman for the Democratic Rally (1999-2001); Chairman of the House Standing Committee on Educational Affairs (2001-2004); Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Foreign and European Affairs (2013-2016); Deputy Chairman of the House Standing Committee on Development Plans and Public Expenditure Control (1996-2001); Member of the EU-Cyprus Parliamentary Committee (2001-2005), the Committee on Financial and Budgetary Affairs (2013-2016), the Committee on the Environment (1996-2006 and 2013-2016), the Committee on Human Rights (2001-2006) and the Committee on Foreign and European Affairs (2001-2006 and 2013-2016).

He also served as Spokesman of the Democratic Rally from 2013 to 2018, a post he had previously held from 1997 to 1999. He was actively involved in both successful presidential campaigns of Mr Nicos Anastasiades, in 2013 and 2018, as a member of the Democratic Rally’s Central Committee and as one of the candidate’s spokespersons. He was also Spokesman in the successful presidential campaign of the late President Glafcos Clerides, in 1998, as well as in the presidential campaign of former Foreign Minister Ioannis Kasoulides in 2008.

Moreover, he served as a member and Chairman of many professional, social and cultural organizations, including the Cultural Institute of Cyprus (Democratic Rally), the Society of Sociologists and the Association of Alumni of French and French Speaking Universities. He also participated in a number of committees on important issues, including the National Committee for the Prevention of Trafficking and Use of Drugs and the scientific team consulting the Parliamentary Committee on Internal Affairs regarding juvenile delinquency, co-authoring the report on "Juvenile Delinquency in the Cyprus Society." He has been also co-founder and editor of the “Akti” review of literature (1989-1995)

He is married and has three children."

Very nice indeed a jolly pleasent chap don't you know.

[Lordo]

Perhaps his Nazi tendencies can be explained by the fact that he was born in Germany? There must be some influence there, After all they drunk the same water and ate the same food assuming that he was not eating stolen meat everyday and had some Sauerkraut.

Perhaps this is what made him very sour in the mouth and the mind. Very interesting.

[Pyrpolizer]

Perhaps his Nazi tendencies can be explained by the fact that he was born in Germany? There must be some influence there, After all they drunk the same water and ate the same food assuming that he was not eating stolen meat everyday and had some Sauerkraut.

Perhaps this is what made him very sour in the mouth and the mind. Very interesting.

Wo, wo. Hold up for a minute. the guy is one of the most modest politicians, and quite educated.
Fact is teachers ridiculed his Ministry for not even reading the books they provide to children.

Yet the Ministry has a whole crue of teachers responsible for proposing books
However our teachers are known drones, having holidays all summer, Christmas, Easter, 4 months/year, let aside all other holidays. Imagine the schools are already open, but they just appear at work "preparing themselves" with schedules while drinking coffee all day without any students attending.See they just woke up after 3 months of holidays! An easy life, with huge salaries, doing almost nothing all day, they themselves present the worst possible example to children, making them beleive that life is raining Euros all day without you having to do much.
Problem is the teachers who recommended those books are not different from the rest of the drones. easy life raining Euros, is it really necessary to read the books before proposing them for the syllabus?

The contents of the book are obviously biased and one sided. The correct procedure would be to deliver the teachers additional text describing the whole picture of Ataturk. But that would make it a history book not an English Language book. Alternatively they could withdraw the book all together, as they finally did.

Ataturk might be a Turkish hero, but not a hero for many others. Just like Grivas is a hero for the GCs, but not a hero for many other. The issue has nothing to do with tolerance or open mindness.

Btw did you know that EACH AND EVERY book used in Turkish schools starts with an obtation for Ataturk, and goes on like that every certain number of pages, making sure the children get totally brainwashed with this paganism?

[Pyrpolizer]

I also know the TC teachers are miles ahead of the GC teachers, preparing the TC children for a life together with the GCs, avoiding any reference to past poisonous events. I don't know what kind of books they use, but it seems to me they don't use the ones used in Turkey but rather print their own.
All the GCs did was to include basic Turkish language as an elective....

[Maximus]

I have read that CY article and there is an image caption at the top of the article of the page.

It describes Attatark as never reckless and a moral leader when he established the state of Turkey and stood up for people. Selfless in his work to create a democracy.

But the reality was something different, depending on who you speak to.

Here is the statement from the RoC ministry of education. To better understand why that page was undesirable.

“Atatürk is directly connected with crimes against humanity such as the Armenian Genocide, which is unequivocally condemned by our country as well as by the United States, France and many others. Crimes equal to the genocide of the Pontians and Assyrians, but also the criminal ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Hellenism in Smyrna and elsewhere,” the ministry said in a statement.

Modern education is based on respect for human rights and should not compromise with attempts to embellish historical crimes, it added.

[Lordo]

I have read that CY article and there is an image caption at the top of the article of the page.

It describes Attatark as never reckless and a moral leader when he established the state of Turkey and stood up for people. Selfless in his work to create a democracy.

But the reality was something different, depending on who you speak to.

Here is the statement from the RoC ministry of education. To better understand why that page was undesirable.

“Atatürk is directly connected with crimes against humanity such as the Armenian Genocide, which is unequivocally condemned by our country as well as by the United States, France and many others. Crimes equal to the genocide of the Pontians and Assyrians, but also the criminal ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Hellenism in Smyrna and elsewhere,” the ministry said in a statement.

Modern education is based on respect for human rights and should not compromise with attempts to embellish historical crimes, it added.

What do I care about Turkey or Ataturk or what he has done. What has that got to do with anything. I have never so much as visited Turkey other than land at an airport in order to get to Cyprus.

You need to see a psychiatrist about your obsession with everything Turkish. No good throwing it at me. You may as well telL ME what the Germans or the Russians did,

I DON'T CARE - get it?

Anyway what about tearing pages out of history books.

[Lordo]

Perhaps his Nazi tendencies can be explained by the fact that he was born in Germany? There must be some influence there, After all they drunk the same water and ate the same food assuming that he was not eating stolen meat everyday and had some Sauerkraut.

Perhaps this is what made him very sour in the mouth and the mind. Very interesting.

Wo, wo. Hold up for a minute. the guy is one of the most modest politicians, and quite educated.
Fact is teachers ridiculed his Ministry for not even reading the books they provide to children.

Yet the Ministry has a whole crue of teachers responsible for proposing books
However our teachers are known drones, having holidays all summer, Christmas, Easter, 4 months/year, let aside all other holidays. Imagine the schools are already open, but they just appear at work "preparing themselves" with schedules while drinking coffee all day without any students attending.See they just woke up after 3 months of holidays! An easy life, with huge salaries, doing almost nothing all day, they themselves present the worst possible example to children, making them beleive that life is raining Euros all day without you having to do much.
Problem is the teachers who recommended those books are not different from the rest of the drones. easy life raining Euros, is it really necessary to read the books before proposing them for the syllabus?

The contents of the book are obviously biased and one sided. The correct procedure would be to deliver the teachers additional text describing the whole picture of Ataturk. But that would make it a history book not an English Language book. Alternatively they could withdraw the book all together, as they finally did.

Ataturk might be a Turkish hero, but not a hero for many others. Just like Grivas is a hero for the GCs, but not a hero for many other. The issue has nothing to do with tolerance or open mindness.

Btw did you know that EACH AND EVERY book used in Turkish schools starts with an obtation for Ataturk, and goes on like that every certain number of pages, making sure the children get totally brainwashed with this paganism?

Whass the madder Mr P did your horse run away from you or something?

As to schools in Cyprus, I came through it in the 60s and early 70s.
1. Our teachers were very progressive never mind what it said in the book, they taught us the truth.
2. They are not as fascistic as your teachers. Most belong to the nazi party. I do know a few GC teachers and they are as good as TC teachers.
3. Your Teachers Union will not allow TC TEachers who work in the south being paid by the RoC to join the teachers Union. Where on earth did you hear of any Teachers Union refusing a membership on account of racr.

Mr P wake up. You are fast asleep.

As to how reasonable your Minister is, we got that. Reasonable enough to ask the teachers to teat of pages out of the History book. I mean how reasonable can a minister has to be. And I do appreciate how he respects books far right enough to tear pages out of them.

Every day that passes by shows to me that the GC establishment has a cancer and it wil not allow power sharing and the only solution is the two state solution.

Lets see how long it takes the International Community to realise that. I understand that they may never eagree to it because every cuntin country has a section in their country that also demands independence, and if we are allowed it than they al lhave to be given it too.

Never mind we wil end up with the compromise where all TCs will leave the island and Gacos will replace all of them. And I can only wish you good luck with dealing with them. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.