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[repulsewarrior]

...what more do you expect of me to say?

...your argument has been twisted again to represent the narrative of "Turks" and "Greeks"; where is the Cypriot, those not "them" in all of this?

[Lordo]

...what more do you expect of me to say?

...your argument has been twisted again to represent the narrative of "Turks" and "Greeks"; where is the Cypriot, those not "them" in all of this?

What has this got to do with Turks or Greeks. We are talking about what went on in Cyprus back in 63 when GCs were coned into believeing that the TCs were rebelling for Taxim, when the real narative was they wanted remove the veto and implement Enosis without the consent of TCs. On the back of the fact that you said the Cypriots had no say. The fact is TCs had even less say. GCs want5ed to walk all over their rights and they did. They took the government did not allow the TCs to return and have kept it ever since. What esle is there to think about it. In the meantime everything is blamed on Turkey? Yeah right and pigs will fly too.

I do sometimes womder about you.

What has this got to do with "Turks" or "Greeks"?

[Lordo]

Naim Huseyin was 22 years old when a police land rover came to his house in Aretiou in 1964. They asked his mother Melek (meaning Angel) where is your son. She asked what they wanted with him. They told her they have been tasked by Dr Kucuk to bring him to him too talk to him to find out what the situation was like in Aretiou. She objected but they took him anyway.

Needless to say he has not been seen since.

This is what I am talking about RW. This is not EOKA or EOKA-b this is GRoC state police.

[repulsewarrior]

...i also remember cowling in fear when the British were around.

Fear for those of us who did not pick sides, while we may have been few, was abundant.

...i may have been, and i may be Greek, because i speak Greek, and i live in a Greek household, but please don't call me "Greek". We are not so hateful, and it is as offensive as "Turkishness" to me.

...and yet, in the late fifties and early sixties, what shocked me most were the men from so far away who i saw in pictures hanging from trees; was it Life magazine, this too in America: all whites are "White" you say?

My luck had it that our neighbours were Turkish. My 'tribe' were these neighbours, and the family i knew as my own. I grew up in a village where as cooperators we sustained our way of life; and we lived well, because of this nature. In that regard both the Greeks and the Turks who were from a different political view became apparent; they became a "Them" to us, our fear was even more real with Cyprus free, more of a reason to be silent and unseen.

...indeed, when i was around "Turks" i was much more nervous than when i was around "Greeks"; it makes sense for you to feel less angst among "Turks" for the same reason. "They" are murderous traitors no different just the same.

It comforts me to know that once a year, despite what tore us apart, despite the decades, as a village we meet (in Larnaca) to celebrate our festive day together; indeed those "Greek" and "Turkish" find such behaviour disruptive, but no one has stopped us from doing that, yet.

...more "picnics" are needed, i think.

People, the People, with no one speaking for them, may well speak for themselves; as Cypriots, if we gather as Cypriots, would you be against it, who would be against it?

...whether Cypriots, Greek and Turkish existed, few or many, may be debated; that they still exist cannot.

And yet that is your denial. The State may well be dysfunctional the way it is, who can disagree with you? Its mine, like it is yours, though; not the Leadership's let's never forget. These, so called governments function, they may serve their electorate well, (but not the voters), not Cyprus; 'we' may have to make this clearer to them. Divided this way, unnaturally, without respect and trust, to Cypriots, is no solution. Diversity counts; was it you who said, "Fuck them"?

...how is it Black men no longer hang from trees? (...not the "whites" or the "blacks" made this happen; Americans made this happen)

[Lordo]

What you have said does not do anything for what TCs have suffered inder GC opression after 1963 to this day. Yes GCs blame Turkey for everything but we both know that is not true, she is not to blame for everything.

Tyekry did not want GCs to start atacking TCs for reach Enosis and we also know that 9n 1964 Inonu advised Kucuk to make peace with the GCs and return to government but then again I don't think Inonu had the full picture of what was going on.

Never mind one day in the future maybe..............

[Maximus]

Amazing BS re Bordo,

Denktash admitted in a TV interview that Turks and TC initiated the inter communal violence with false flag events to blame the GC's and create an atmosphere of animosity.

TC's started rioting, burning and looting GC shops and homes in Nicosia to enact their vengeance.

This was in 1958 and Cyprus never recovered from that event. It was all downhill from there. During the 1960's, Turkish military units were also torching mosques and blaming it on the GC's. A retired Turkish general, Sabri Yirmibeolu, told a Turkish TV channel. They did this to make it appear as if an enemy, the GC's, had done it.

So, Turkey and the TC leadership did want the TC's to start attacking GC's and for the GC's to retaliate thereafter,

Now why would they do that Bordo? wasn't it because they wanted to sabotage the republic of Cyprus with the objective being Taxim that was on the agenda since the 1950's?

This is why it is important not to put BS in children's school textbooks.........

They learn wrong, like you still beleive that your community is entitled to 50% say and share in government when you are 10% of the population and somehow, the TC are "co-owners".

where in the world does a minority of 10% use rhetoric as "co-owning" a country with a 50% share?

You really do talk rubbish.

[Lordo]

Amazing BS re Bordo,

Denktash admitted in a TV interview that Turks and TC initiated the inter communal violence with false flag events to blame the GC's and create an atmosphere of animosity.

TC's started rioting, burning and looting GC shops and homes in Nicosia to enact their vengeance.

This was in 1958 and Cyprus never recovered from that event. It was all downhill from there.

So, Turkey and the TC leadership did want the TC's to start attacking GC's and for the GC's to retaliate thereafter, why create false flag events otherwise.

You really do talk rubbish.

This is why it is important not to put BS in children's school textbooks.........

they learn crap, like you.

You are talking about two bombs in 1958, 3 years after 1955 when EOKA started killing TCs. In the meantime GCs also put a bomb onto the statue od Drakos to cause the same thing.

I am not talking about that time asshole. I am talking about December 1963 when RoC armed all the GC police and the militia against Cyprus Constitution knowing that they were going to start fighting according to their Akritas plan and Cemaliye and Halil was killed,

You are one hell of an idiot you stupid cunt. Unlike you, I did not read this in history books, I lived it, now go fuck yourself.

[Maximus]

You are one hell of an idiot you stupid cunt. Unlike you, I did not read this in history books, I lived it, now go fuck yourself.

Thats even worse,

You didnt have access to all information back then,

Apparently, you were a child and what you "lived", was the BS being told by your leadership through the village grape vine.

Now learn the facts....you have had your whole adult life to learn it but you still have this childish understanding of Cyprus's history..

Idiot.

[Lordo]

You are one hell of an idiot you stupid cunt. Unlike you, I did not read this in history books, I lived it, now go fuck yourself.

Thats even worse,

You didnt have access to all information back then,

Apparently, you were a child and what you "lived", was the BS being told by your leadership through the village grape vine.

Now learn the facts....you have had your whole adult life to learn it but you still have this childish understanding of Cyprus's history..

Idiot.

Really?
How do you know that?
So are you now saying Drackos's statue was not bombed by EOKA?

We had GC friends you stupid cunt. People of both community had good relationships going back centuries. Those relationships still exist to this day. So you think people who were like brothers working in the fields like brothers helping each other would suddenly stop talking to each other.

You really are so stupid you do not how stupid you are.

Just fuck off will you.

[Lordo]

Here is an event that happened after 1974. From my friend Andrulla.

The translation is not briliant but it gives you an idea the relationship between to communities at the gound level without the fascists poking their ore in.

Short stories
Rifat Gargablumis
Rifat Carcabloumis, Louroutziatis circa 1998
The roadblocks opened in 2003

One day we went to Green Point with my son Christos to throw some pruning.
This place was in the area of Piperis, Dali to Louroutzina. The well-known monsters of KyrSavva are beyond.
As we were getting ready to head back to Dali we see an unknown old man coming from the direction of Lourujina on an old fashioned bike.
When he saw us he stopped and greeted in Greek. We asked him where he was going and he said ' I'm looking for the police officer Cleopas living in Dali. ' He was a very tall and thin man with white hair and blue eyes like many Louruzians, who, as it is said, are descendants of Lusinians, mixed marriages, crypto Christians, Linenworms.
'But where are you coming from?' I asked him.
From Lurujina he answered us.
'But do they let you pass?' I asked again.
Yes, many Lourutzians pass that the fields are everywhere in Dali and elsewhere. He told us.
He asked us for help finding Mr. Cleopa. He told us that a few months ago his wife had died and she wanted him to go find the man who saved his life and thank him.
In 74 in the coup d ' etat me and other shepherds he brought us to the Nisos police station. We had no knowledge on military matters so we knew nothing to say to them. '
Mr. Kleopas, a policeman, may they be well said to him, ′′ Let me help the creatures, poor shepherds are to blame for nothing. Let them go to their families and let them go to their pity.. So they unleashed us. That's how I was worried about my wife before she died I'm going to Dali to find him. '
Let's call you Mr. Rifat. Get in the car and I'll ride your bike. ' It wasn't easy to do a towering bike around 60 years old.
Hopefully we arrived at Mr. Cleopa's house. Sunday day he waited for his children for food and lit charcoal in the Fuku.
Mr. Cleopa, I brought a gentleman who is looking for you who wanted to see you, ' I said.
He looks at Rifat well well and he speaks to him, ' are you a jeedo Turgine who brought other shepherds to the police station in 74?'
Rifat replies to him, it's me I'm here to thank you for being the reason to release us to be alive today. Before my yenaika died I promised her that I would come to thank you.
They fell into each other's arms. The emotion at the peak. We were all crying. Moments of human, moments of humanity, where the heart opens its leaves and speech and tear flows irresistibly, no inhibitions, no shame.
We sat, ate our dessert, drank our cool water and said goodbye.
I also took pictures. Kinda anxious Mr. Cleopas tells me, ' you can put them in a newspaper I hope. '
No Mr. Cleopa, I assured him.
On a trip I went on a month later my phone was stolen, where the photos were, in Athens, at the Metro station. Lost those photos but the ones captured in my memory will always be there.
I write this story to speak and say that in the coup, in the war that followed with the Turkish invasion, there were acts of humanity, by ours but also by people on the other side, the 'enemy' that is, just as they have been abhorrent crimes on both sides. War is barbaric not people.
In Idalio
September 2020