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[Maximus]

I have read that CY article and there is an image caption at the top of the article of the page.

It describes Attatark as never reckless and a moral leader when he established the state of Turkey and stood up for people. Selfless in his work to create a democracy.

But the reality was something different, depending on who you speak to.

Here is the statement from the RoC ministry of education. To better understand why that page was undesirable.

“Atatürk is directly connected with crimes against humanity such as the Armenian Genocide, which is unequivocally condemned by our country as well as by the United States, France and many others. Crimes equal to the genocide of the Pontians and Assyrians, but also the criminal ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Hellenism in Smyrna and elsewhere,” the ministry said in a statement.

Modern education is based on respect for human rights and should not compromise with attempts to embellish historical crimes, it added.

What do I care about Turkey or Ataturk or what he has done. What has that got to do with anything. I have never so much as visited Turkey other than land at an airport in order to get to Cyprus.

You need to see a psychiatrist about your obsession with everything Turkish. No good throwing it at me. You may as well telL ME what the Germans or the Russians did,

I DON'T CARE - get it?

Anyway what about tearing pages out of history books.

Why in the hell did you think this was directed at you?

You can pretend all you like that this has got nothing to do with you but you are not fooling me Bordo.

Regardless, my post is very relevant to this topic, it is what this thread is about and you are the one who made references to this minister and the Nazis,

And since you went there,

What would you think if Hitler was held as an exemplary example of leadership in a French language text book, from a Jewish or a Polish students perspective......?

You really are a plank with an inverted narrative. wake up will you.....

This is not a history book, it is an English book, and the text was not at all accurate from the education ministry's perspective.

How different is this, to tearing bullshit out of any text book or just not teaching BS at all?

Do schools have to teach BS now?

[repulsewarrior]

...and from the start, the Cypriots with their intentions were ignored, as a People; just people to an elite in control anyway.

You are wrong Lordo because you ignore 'us' by accepting "their" narrative as reason, "their" alternative as a way of life.

..."being" Greek, is a happy thing for me, as "being" Turkish is for you; being a Citizen of the world is something more in its responsibilities toward each other.

Lucky for me, as a young boy i was exposed to more than "them"; it has been like a curse, having to fight for my Identity since.

...i have no problem with curricula that better serves the needs of those learning. And i agree that there are universal standards to be respected.

I do have a problem with gaffs that become scandals; was it shear laziness, what kind of corruption was it?

...big lessons are to be learned from this, it opens many questions: teaching children will be taken more seriously by its administration (one hopes); they should not have but the Minister in such a position in any case.

And while Pyr may not agree with you, or me, he has provided more than character assassination and rot; for me at least, food for thought, a balance to your "one sidedness" (in affect you and him are not different "that" way), since in effect my narrative is quite different to the both of you.

...who between the two of you, and Max let's not forget since he too has added his comments to this topic, would not stand with the teachers under the Flag of Cyprus if they demonstrate their "Cypriotness" together?

Who among you would not agree that our bane in life as Cypriots, are the "Greeks" and "Turks" that live among us?

[Lordo]

Let me correct you for one small matter.

Yes the Cypriots were ignored but with the TCs they suffered the same fate regarding that but they suffered another fate by being ignored by the GCs, and they are still being ignored.

So here is a new thought to think about. Fuck those people who ignored the Cypriots as well as those who specifically ignored TCs by trying to force Enosis on them.

There is no other truth. These are not opinions, they are facts.

[MR-from-NG]

The ministry justified its decision saying the reference in question praises Attaturk as an example of leadership.

“Ataturk is directly connected with crimes against humanity such as the Armenian Genocide, which is unequivocally condemned by our country as well as by the United States, France and many others. Crimes equal to the genocide of the Pontians and Assyrians, but also the criminal ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Hellenism in Smyrna and elsewhere,” the announcement said.

Modern education, the ministry said, is based on respect for human rights and does not compromise with attempts to embellish such historical crimes.

The ministry also came under fire over choosing to have this reference torn from the book rather than use it as an opportunity to promote critical thinking. In its statement the ministry said, “the English language course is not offered to nor is it expected to cover such topics or to promote critical thought”.

I wonder if the books these GC kids are educated with will ever know what kind of CUNTS their leaders and seniors were? What terrible crimes they committed against unarmed people indiscriminately killing anyone that was alive. Mums, grandmas, months old babies, they were all killed for not being Greek.

I have always said, putting a racehorse saddle on a donkey doesn't change a thing, it's still a fucking donkey.

[Lordo]

Ataturk landed in Samson in 1919. He had no control on anything at that time. He began to upt an army together to save his country when it was occupied by 7 different countries. If he is responsible for any killings he was responsible for killing the Muftu of Turkey. But he was given a fair trial and then executed for a capital crime.
He passed a law to say hats have to be worn and the Fez was not. Once the law was passed the MUftu decided to challenge him to undermine him thinking he will not be hanged. He was wrong in his thinking and he was hanged after a fair trial.

Of course there is no info on the Greek Prince who invaded Western Turkey and when he started retreating applying a scorched earth policy killing all living things inc animals and burning everything too.

But how can that be? Greeks cannot be barbaric can they? Of course not, read their history books you will not find any refference to any barbaric acts by the Greeks.

[Lordo]

Have you ever seen such a union in any country?

ΟΕΛΜΕΚ OELMEK Οργάνωση Ελλήνων Λειτουργών Μέσης Εκπαίδευσης Κύπρου
- Kıbrıs Yunan Orta öğretim Öğretmenleri Sendikası
- Cyprus Secondary Education Greek Teachers Association

Tell me this is not correct. How many unions are there that specify the race of the fucking teachers who are members

Does anybody have the constitution of OELMEK handy?

[Pyrpolizer]

Ataturk landed in Samson in 1919. He had no control on anything at that time. He began to upt an army together to save his country when it was occupied by 7 different countries. If he is responsible for any killings he was responsible for killing the Muftu of Turkey. But he was given a fair trial and then executed for a capital crime.
He passed a law to say hats have to be worn and the Fez was not. Once the law was passed the MUftu decided to challenge him to undermine him thinking he will not be hanged. He was wrong in his thinking and he was hanged after a fair trial.

Of course there is no info on the Greek Prince who invaded Western Turkey and when he started retreating applying a scorched earth policy killing all living things inc animals and burning everything too.

But how can that be? Greeks cannot be barbaric can they? Of course not, read their history books you will not find any refference to any barbaric acts by the Greeks.

Still you can read foreign history books...

Let me tell you a story from my own life.
As you may know I was working at an Arab country in the past.
We had the day off every Friday (rest day for the Arabs) which day we used to go down town to wander around the shops.
There was a small road the so called Doner kebab road where there were shops serving Doner kebab. Most of the Arabs don't do manual work, they prefer bussiness. Hence each one of those Doner kebab shops was manned by foreigners, Indians, Pakistanis, Philippinos, etc. Like I said the shops were all in a row, were all serving the exact same product and exact same recipe, and could hardly catch up serving clients.Most of the clients were Arabs. I was personally ordering 5 portions they costed the equivalent of one "chifte" each. Yami -yami...

However there was something strange happening there. While all shops couldn't catch up serving clients there was one particular shop that had almost no clients. It looked very strange to me, hence I asked some friends for the reason.
They told me, "You really don't know? They (the employees) are all Turks !!"
That sounded even more strange to me. I mean the Arabs are muslims just like the Turks, so I asked why the Arabs don't buy from the Turks. Someone told me it's because they were under the Ottomans too.

[Lordo]

What has that got to do with comments I made. I gave a fact. You cannot blame Ataturk for the Armenian Genocide because he landed in Samson, 1919, being chased by the Sultan. He had no authority by then.

As to Arabs and their habbits, they are welcome to it, I really do not care. Half the Muslim world is starving and the bastards are not helping. To hell with them.

[repulsewarrior]

Let me correct you for one small matter.

Yes the Cypriots were ignored but with the TCs they suffered the same fate regarding that but they suffered another fate by being ignored by the GCs, and they are still being ignored.

So here is a new thought to think about. Fuck those people who ignored the Cypriots as well as those who specifically ignored TCs by trying to force Enosis on them.

There is no other truth. These are not opinions, they are facts.

I understand your resentment, it is true. Greek Cypriots do not demonstrate their willingness to respect and trust Turkish Cypriots, against "Turkishness"; just as it was true in the past, against "Greekness".

..."This" must stop. 'We' must join against them, by "being" Cypriot.

[Lordo]

Let me correct you for one small matter.

Yes the Cypriots were ignored but with the TCs they suffered the same fate regarding that but they suffered another fate by being ignored by the GCs, and they are still being ignored.

So here is a new thought to think about. Fuck those people who ignored the Cypriots as well as those who specifically ignored TCs by trying to force Enosis on them.

There is no other truth. These are not opinions, they are facts.

I understand your resentment, it is true. Greek Cypriots do not demonstrate their willingness to respect and trust Turkish Cypriots, against "Turkishness"; just as it was true in the past, against "Greekness".

..."This" must stop. 'We' must join against them, by "being" Cypriot.

You missed the main point I was making. GCs did not consider the TCs back in 1963 when they started killing to destroy the TCs and Enosise Cyprus with Greece. That was the point. To this day it is the same. There is no resenment just a fact. A cunt is a cunt, why would I resent them?