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[Lordo]

This idea of destroying books reminds me of the Arabs invading Greece back in the day. They decided that Kuran was the only important book relevant and the rest were not necessary so we lost thousands of book on all sorts of knowledge. It's ok though, you are on about 1500 years behind the time. I mean it is nothing when you compare it to your 6000 years you christians beleive the earth was created.

[Pyrpolizer]

Perhaps his Nazi tendencies can be explained by the fact that he was born in Germany? There must be some influence there, After all they drunk the same water and ate the same food assuming that he was not eating stolen meat everyday and had some Sauerkraut.

Perhaps this is what made him very sour in the mouth and the mind. Very interesting.

Wo, wo. Hold up for a minute. the guy is one of the most modest politicians, and quite educated.
Fact is teachers ridiculed his Ministry for not even reading the books they provide to children.

Yet the Ministry has a whole crue of teachers responsible for proposing books
However our teachers are known drones, having holidays all summer, Christmas, Easter, 4 months/year, let aside all other holidays. Imagine the schools are already open, but they just appear at work "preparing themselves" with schedules while drinking coffee all day without any students attending.See they just woke up after 3 months of holidays! An easy life, with huge salaries, doing almost nothing all day, they themselves present the worst possible example to children, making them beleive that life is raining Euros all day without you having to do much.
Problem is the teachers who recommended those books are not different from the rest of the drones. easy life raining Euros, is it really necessary to read the books before proposing them for the syllabus?

The contents of the book are obviously biased and one sided. The correct procedure would be to deliver the teachers additional text describing the whole picture of Ataturk. But that would make it a history book not an English Language book. Alternatively they could withdraw the book all together, as they finally did.

Ataturk might be a Turkish hero, but not a hero for many others. Just like Grivas is a hero for the GCs, but not a hero for many other. The issue has nothing to do with tolerance or open mindness.

Btw did you know that EACH AND EVERY book used in Turkish schools starts with an obtation for Ataturk, and goes on like that every certain number of pages, making sure the children get totally brainwashed with this paganism?

Whass the madder Mr P did your horse run away from you or something?

As to schools in Cyprus, I came through it in the 60s and early 70s.
1. Our teachers were very progressive never mind what it said in the book, they taught us the truth.
2. They are not as fascistic as your teachers. Most belong to the nazi party. I do know a few GC teachers and they are as good as TC teachers.
3. Your Teachers Union will not allow TC TEachers who work in the south being paid by the RoC to join the teachers Union. Where on earth did you hear of any Teachers Union refusing a membership on account of racr.

Mr P wake up. You are fast asleep.

As to how reasonable your Minister is, we got that. Reasonable enough to ask the teachers to teat of pages out of the History book. I mean how reasonable can a minister has to be. And I do appreciate how he respects books far right enough to tear pages out of them.

Every day that passes by shows to me that the GC establishment has a cancer and it wil not allow power sharing and the only solution is the two state solution.

Lets see how long it takes the International Community to realise that. I understand that they may never eagree to it because every cuntin country has a section in their country that also demands independence, and if we are allowed it than they al lhave to be given it too.

Never mind we wil end up with the compromise where all TCs will leave the island and Gacos will replace all of them. And I can only wish you good luck with dealing with them. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

The problem with you is that either you are not listening, or nor reading what others say, or you have a fixation in repeating the same nonsense over and over again .

I already explained you in the past that your TC friend who is indeed a teacher is NOT permanent staff but works for the Ministry on seasonal contact. Hence the reason the union does not accept him as a member, he has other interests, permanent staff has other interests. FYI there are 100s of GC "teachers" working on contact for the Ministry of Education, at evening classes, e.g. a teacher for car repair, another for electrical installations, another for pottery etc. They are not standard curriculum teachers, they are not permanent staff and only a stupid one would want to join the union of permanent teachers.

As for the Minister what would be the most economic solution other than tearing the page off, before distribution the books to the students?? By withdrawing the books they just wasted 50K Euros tax payer money....

[repulsewarrior]

...i am more hopeful, what with this debate.

It is becoming clearer that Cypriots exist, not just "Greeks" and "Turks".

...divided they, Cypriots, remain unable to speak as one. As such they must consider the word enosis, (or taksim) and what has been done with it to keep them apart. They must retake this word to define it in a Cypriot way.

Indeed, it may be the teachers, the good ones in any case, (which will stop "This"), which will unite to demonstrate as Persons that as Individuals they are Cypriot, too.

...as i have said many times before, Cypriots do not have from their Leadership, Cypriot representation. Without it wanting change, the People must represent themselves.

Anything but Ataturk would not have drawn such attention: tearing pages out of books (perhaps we all can agree) is unseemly, someone should resign (better yet be fired).

[repulsewarrior]

...thank-you Pyr, most helpful.

[repulsewarrior]

This idea of destroying books reminds me of the Arabs invading Greece back in the day. They decided that Kuran was the only important book relevant and the rest were not necessary so we lost thousands of book on all sorts of knowledge. It's ok though, you are on about 1500 years behind the time. I mean it is nothing when you compare it to your 6000 years you christians beleive the earth was created.

..."you christians"; what is that? Who are you talking to? (as what?) Am i one of "them"; what are "you"?

...indeed the last library that burned was not so long ago; who remembers "shock and awe" in Baghdad?

...seriously Lordo, Ignorance is Ignorance; you should be more caring about your own acts, you are not small and almost non-existent in the bigger realm of things, you count, everyone counts.

[Lordo]

Perhaps his Nazi tendencies can be explained by the fact that he was born in Germany? There must be some influence there, After all they drunk the same water and ate the same food assuming that he was not eating stolen meat everyday and had some Sauerkraut.

Perhaps this is what made him very sour in the mouth and the mind. Very interesting.

Wo, wo. Hold up for a minute. the guy is one of the most modest politicians, and quite educated.
Fact is teachers ridiculed his Ministry for not even reading the books they provide to children.

Yet the Ministry has a whole crue of teachers responsible for proposing books
However our teachers are known drones, having holidays all summer, Christmas, Easter, 4 months/year, let aside all other holidays. Imagine the schools are already open, but they just appear at work "preparing themselves" with schedules while drinking coffee all day without any students attending.See they just woke up after 3 months of holidays! An easy life, with huge salaries, doing almost nothing all day, they themselves present the worst possible example to children, making them beleive that life is raining Euros all day without you having to do much.
Problem is the teachers who recommended those books are not different from the rest of the drones. easy life raining Euros, is it really necessary to read the books before proposing them for the syllabus?

The contents of the book are obviously biased and one sided. The correct procedure would be to deliver the teachers additional text describing the whole picture of Ataturk. But that would make it a history book not an English Language book. Alternatively they could withdraw the book all together, as they finally did.

Ataturk might be a Turkish hero, but not a hero for many others. Just like Grivas is a hero for the GCs, but not a hero for many other. The issue has nothing to do with tolerance or open mindness.

Btw did you know that EACH AND EVERY book used in Turkish schools starts with an obtation for Ataturk, and goes on like that every certain number of pages, making sure the children get totally brainwashed with this paganism?

Whass the madder Mr P did your horse run away from you or something?

As to schools in Cyprus, I came through it in the 60s and early 70s.
1. Our teachers were very progressive never mind what it said in the book, they taught us the truth.
2. They are not as fascistic as your teachers. Most belong to the nazi party. I do know a few GC teachers and they are as good as TC teachers.
3. Your Teachers Union will not allow TC TEachers who work in the south being paid by the RoC to join the teachers Union. Where on earth did you hear of any Teachers Union refusing a membership on account of racr.

Mr P wake up. You are fast asleep.

As to how reasonable your Minister is, we got that. Reasonable enough to ask the teachers to teat of pages out of the History book. I mean how reasonable can a minister has to be. And I do appreciate how he respects books far right enough to tear pages out of them.

Every day that passes by shows to me that the GC establishment has a cancer and it wil not allow power sharing and the only solution is the two state solution.

Lets see how long it takes the International Community to realise that. I understand that they may never eagree to it because every cuntin country has a section in their country that also demands independence, and if we are allowed it than they al lhave to be given it too.

Never mind we wil end up with the compromise where all TCs will leave the island and Gacos will replace all of them. And I can only wish you good luck with dealing with them. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

The problem with you is that either you are not listening, or nor reading what others say, or you have a fixation in repeating the same nonsense over and over again .

I already explained you in the past that your TC friend who is indeed a teacher is NOT permanent staff but works for the Ministry on seasonal contact. Hence the reason the union does not accept him as a member, he has other interests, permanent staff has other interests. FYI there are 100s of GC "teachers" working on contact for the Ministry of Education, at evening classes, e.g. a teacher for car repair, another for electrical installations, another for pottery etc. They are not standard curriculum teachers, they are not permanent staff and only a stupid one would want to join the union of permanent teachers.

As for the Minister what would be the most economic solution other than tearing the page off, before distribution the books to the students?? By withdrawing the books they just wasted 50K Euros tax payer money....

Now you really are being thick. He has applied to join andf was told onlt GCs can jpin the Union and TCs have their own. And yet he knows Greek teachers who are allowed to be members,

The guy works full time and has been there over 12 years doing the same job in the same school.

Stop talking out of your arse about things you know nothing out. Do you even understand wah seasonal means? gavole mavre.

[Lordo]

...thank-you Pyr, most helpful.

What the hell was helpful about what he said for fuck sake.

How the fuck are the problems going to be resolved if you do not even accept the existance of the problem. I do dispair with you sometimes

[Lordo]

Have you ever seen such a union in any country?

ΟΕΛΜΕΚ OELMEK Οργάνωση Ελλήνων Λειτουργών Μέσης Εκπαίδευσης Κύπρου
- Kıbrıs Yunan Orta öğretim Öğretmenleri Sendikası
- Cyprus Secondary Education Greek Teachers Association

Tell me this is not correct. How many unions are there that specify the race of the fucking teachers who are members

[Pyrpolizer]

Now you really are being thick. He has applied to join andf was told onlt GCs can jpin the Union and TCs have their own. And yet he knows Greek teachers who are allowed to be members,

The guy works full time and has been there over 12 years doing the same job in the same school.

Stop talking out of your arse about things you know nothing out. Do you even understand wah seasonal means? gavole mavre.

You never gave details and I always assumed he was on contract.
Even now you avoid giving full details e.g. what he teaches, if he teaches in Greek or any other language whether he teaches regular curriculum or at a special school for asylum seekers etc.

Anyway (assuming he teaches regular curriculum in Greek) then if you want to blame anyone, blame the racist constitution which sets the matter of education under the responsibility of separate communal assemblies. OELMEK was established based on one of the earliest laws of the Republic - Law No 6 of 1961, while at the same time the TCs established their own Union - I think the name was KTOS. It was common sense back then that each union would only accept Greek or Turkish members (even ones imported from Greece or Turkey) considering that Cyprus did not even have enough teachers hence it was importing teachers from those countries.

While OELMEK seems perfectly legal according to the 1960 constitution, tell your friend to seek legal advice. Maybe OELMEK is breaking EU laws on discrimination, which supersede RoC laws..

[Pyrpolizer]

Have you ever seen such a union in any country?

ΟΕΛΜΕΚ OELMEK Οργάνωση Ελλήνων Λειτουργών Μέσης Εκπαίδευσης Κύπρου
- Kıbrıs Yunan Orta öğretim Öğretmenleri Sendikası
- Cyprus Secondary Education Greek Teachers Association

Tell me this is not correct. How many unions are there that specify the race of the fucking teachers who are members

Like I said: Racist constitution = Racist everything.
Who imposed it on us?