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[Lordo]

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You sir are a total arshole if I may say so.

You are saying:
OCCUPIED Areas
GC 1,460,643 donums

TC FREE AREAS
TC 473,309

And I said:
OCCUPIED Areas
GC 1,500,000 donums

TC FREE AREAS
TC 450,000

So perhaps I was wrong. Well OK I accept I over estimated GC properties in the north and under estimated TC properties in the south.

Sooooooo anyway that makes 3.09 times more properties belonging to the GCs when compared to the land left in the south by the TCs.

Now perhaps you can explain to me how you got 20 times more land and the boy got 8 times more.

In the meantime, when you go back to the 1974 values, believe it or not that is what UN did in 2004 and they were going to use the 1974 values and you boys refused it.

Sooooooo my question to you is how many times are you going to shoot yourselves in the foot before you realise it does you no good what so ever.

[Pyrpolizer]

Of course there are price differences with property dependent on the area, in every country.

The thing with Cyprus though, is that the value and prices of property in the north dropped significantly BECAUSE, it is stolen, the area is illegally occupied and embargoed, the administration is not recognized and everything about that area is illegitimate in its dealing.

it is all very simple to understand.

So what you are saying is that Mr P when he says the GC values in the north donum for donum is 20 times the vallue of TC properties in the south he is talking out of his arse.

Are you trying to be a wise guy?

The TC's stole and still withhold way more property than what they left behind.

They left one behind and collectively gained like 20 you muppet.

you stupid asshole. GCs have 1.5 million donum of land in the north and TCs have 450,000 donums of land in the south. 20 times?

You stupid iriot.

Ermmm, congrats you are very close, the exact figures are 1,460,643 vs 473,309 as per my data posted above.
And yes it is 20 times less in value (actually 20.16) as per 1974 values.

[Pyrpolizer]

In the meantime, when you go back to the 1974 values, believe it or not that is what UN did in 2004 and they were going to use the 1974 values and you boys refused it.

Ha,ha,ha how little you know...Those were the compensations and it concerned 90% of all properties. Would you like to get 20-40 Euros per donum TODAY for your property at Softalar knowing damn well someone else will get it, and sell it the next day for 10K-35K per donum??
I can read you inside out little dumbass. You think we wrre stupid for turning down the Anal Plqan

[Lordo]

Of course there are price differences with property dependent on the area, in every country.

The thing with Cyprus though, is that the value and prices of property in the north dropped significantly BECAUSE, it is stolen, the area is illegally occupied and embargoed, the administration is not recognized and everything about that area is illegitimate in its dealing.

it is all very simple to understand.

So what you are saying is that Mr P when he says the GC values in the north donum for donum is 20 times the vallue of TC properties in the south he is talking out of his arse.

Are you trying to be a wise guy?

The TC's stole and still withhold way more property than what they left behind.

They left one behind and collectively gained like 20 you muppet.

you stupid asshole. GCs have 1.5 million donum of land in the north and TCs have 450,000 donums of land in the south. 20 times?

You stupid iriot.

Ermmm, congrats you are very close, the exact figures are 1,460,643 vs 473,309 as per my data posted above.
And yes it is 20 times less in value (actually 20.16) as per 1974 values.

One last question for you. Are you aware that in 2004 the idea to use 1974 for values was actually mentioned in the agreement and you boys refused it. it has not been mentioned once. But I can tell you that I would agree to go to 1974 values so the land is not being sold, the values are simply used for exchange purposes.

I have no issue with that. TC properties in Nicosia South are more than a match for the peoperties left in the north Nicosia. As well as the TC properties in Baf, Limasol and Larnaca are even more than a match for your Girne and Guzelyurt. You can have Marash back for free so long as properties go back to their original owners be they TC or GC or any other.

But I have some bad news for you internationally it is only acceptable to use current values as land. And I must admit it is on;y fair. Now I put that at a modest figure of TC lands 3 times the value which prings us to in effect equyal land. So we stay at 37% and it makes it fair.

I would go further, I would allow any GC who wishes to move north any time they like. We need some help to deal with all the gacos over here.

[Lordo]

I don't take sides. There is only one side and that is the Cypriot side. Why exaggerate simple well know figures. We do have fanatics within each community and we have to call them out.

When did I ever say a single compimentary word about Dengtashm Eroglu or Tatar?

I knew that dumbass!
But you often come across as a bit of brainwashed.
That's the reason I wanted to shake you a little.

I remember one day at Uni a lecturer of mine saw me read the Guardian Newspaper. He said "I did not know you were communist".

Now that this statement said more about him than me as watched him dig into his Daily Telegraph. You know life is one long lesson. Everything must be analysed to the nth degree and ever drop of knowledge must be aquired.

[Lordo]

anyway while we are talking about kindness of two great Cypriots here is a fellow you may have heard of and not many TCs would give you this information. To me these bastards who destroyed Cyprus are all bastards no matter which community they belong to.

[Pyrpolizer]

One last question for you. Are you aware that in 2004 the idea to use 1974 for values was actually mentioned in the agreement and you boys refused it. it has not been mentioned once. But I can tell you that I would agree to go to 1974 values so the land is not being sold, the values are simply used for exchange purposes.

Again, you prove you know almost nothing of the Anal Plan: The idea of the 1974 prices was for compensation purposes ONLY.
There would be very few exchanges which however would not be based on 1974 prices. They would be based on similarity of properties. E.g. Your agricultural land at Softalar Vs someone else's agricultural land in Mia Milia.
A TC land in Moutalos Paphos Vs a GC land in the outskirts of Kyrenia.
That would actually be a fair deal, problem is the TCs left behind much less land-mostly agricultural, so only a small portion of GC refugees would have the chance to exchange. Besides exchange lands should not be currently in use-imagine what kind of lands they would be.
Like I said the vast majority of properties were supposed to be compensated at ridiculous amounts. Let aside there was no money even for that and they would issue bonds and nonsense.

[Pyrpolizer]

anyway while we are talking about kindness of two great Cypriots here is a fellow you may have heard of and not many TCs would give you this information. To me these bastards who destroyed Cyprus are all bastards no matter which community they belong to.

I agree.
I 've seen this interview in the past having Greek subtitles. I remember this kopek saying something like we mastered the art of killing innocent Greek Cypriots... unfortunately such dogs existed in both sides.

[Lordo]

One last question for you. Are you aware that in 2004 the idea to use 1974 for values was actually mentioned in the agreement and you boys refused it. it has not been mentioned once. But I can tell you that I would agree to go to 1974 values so the land is not being sold, the values are simply used for exchange purposes.

Again, you prove you know almost nothing of the Anal Plan: The idea of the 1974 prices was for compensation purposes ONLY.
There would be very few exchanges which however would not be based on 1974 prices. They would be based on similarity of properties. E.g. Your agricultural land at Softalar Vs someone else's agricultural land in Mia Milia.
A TC land in Moutalos Paphos Vs a GC land in the outskirts of Kyrenia.
That would actually be a fair deal, problem is the TCs left behind much less land-mostly agricultural, so only a small portion of GC refugees would have the chance to exchange. Besides exchange lands should not be currently in use-imagine what kind of lands they would be.
Like I said the vast majority of properties were supposed to be compensated at ridiculous amounts. Let aside there was no money even for that and they would issue bonds and nonsense.

More bullshit. TCs had properties in Larnaca, Limasol and Baf and in some way there were not enough to compensate 4000 Girneans? Pull the other one sunshine the middle one has bells on it.

Anyway now we are at a point of current values being used. It has already been used and it has set precident.

[Lordo]

Funny you should mention arable land because most TCs were farmers and had plenty of land per person. I do not knpw anybody who had less than 10 donums of land.

If you look at the numbers in the south we had 60,000 people who moved north and thay had 450,000 donums of land. The reverse was almost identicle. We had 160,000 GCs who lost 1,500,000. It is also about 10 donums of land each on average.