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[Maximus]

blah blah blah blah,

more BS from the resident bordo,

Your community fcked up and now you are stuck in a state of illegitimacy and moral decay.

You cant have your cake and eat it as well.

[Lordo]

Welcome to read this report

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_2017_814.pdf

[Pyrpolizer]

@ Lordo.

I did not ask for the UNSG's report for his good offices mission in Cyprus regarding Crans Montana I asked you to provide me evidence that Akinci managed to get Erdogan to agree to remove the Guarantees once the implementation plan was complete under BBF as well as the Turkish Army to be removed in a phased period.

Varoshia has been offered many times the question was always at what cost.
Even today Tatar is ready to return it if we recognise the pseudo state.
I guess you have to increase the times it was offered from 10 to 11.

TCs traded fine until 1985. You tell me what happened in 1985 when your geniuses threw away the RoC seals. Would you still accuse the GCs knowng damn well that it's your own crooks who burried you alive? The best the GCs could do for you was the Green line regulation and they did exactly that. Everybody knows your sharks export cheries imported from Turkey to the EU, as if they are Cypriot produce, but then again we play dumb just not to hurt you.This benefits the settlers too, but let's again turn a blind eye.

There are other reasons why nobody in the world will ever recognise the pseudo state:
It was a clear invasion and occupation by Turkey, throwing out of their homes and lands almost half the GC population.
Let's phase it, the pseudo state is based on theft!! What's happening now at Varoshia is beyond theft by the worst kind of trushy people.

a)You with the help of Turkey grabbed 5 times more land and properies than what you left behind.
b)That 5x is 20 times more in value compared to what you left behind.
c)yes they are all stolen lands and properties by the minute you all got title deeds as if they were yours. And not only you but also the thousands of settlers you brought from Turkey. Both them and you use those title deeds to sell our own properties to foreigners. The poor GC refugee who just cultivates TC land gets no title deeds, has to pay annual rent, and is not allowed build anything anything on it.

When I say "you" I don't meean "You all". i know many TCs with dignity who had no choice but to follow the sharks among you.There was a time those people were the majority, not sure if they still are.

Finally I am not here to please you or anyone else.

[repulsewarrior]

...well said Pyrpolizer.

Indeed, it is Cyprus for Cypriots a Cypriot is asking for; something that is a Human Right: beyond dogma, myth, and fantasy, or as it is described by Nationalist fanatics.

...Cypriots i must remind you Pyrpolizer, are not few. As a voting public they have demonstrated the same commitment unwaveringly, even divided as they are with their Identity usurped to 'become' "Greeks" and "Turks", for Universal Principles.

Any way it is counted, they are never less than half the population; the ones that "they" claim do not exist. And silenced as they are, leaderless in affect, they, the People, are a ticking time bomb. Pressed too far, divided as they are they may join in mass demonstrations, despite their Leadership. (Something that Turkey needs, in the same fight; against "Turkishness".) (Something that Erdogan needs if he is going to emulate it, in solving Turkey's own Constitutional dysfunction.)

...now that it is clear that this "Leadership" have been exposed to be more a representation of the illegal occupation of Cypriot Territory, one hopes that the Republic will take further steps to secure for Turkish Cypriots living there its protection, the same opportunity to benefit as Cypriots in Government subsidies and incentives, such as in Tourism, Hotels, and Commerce; it would be nice if such enterprise is identified as Cypriot so that people may make conscious choices in their purchases.

Nothing is a greater threat to Turkey than our solidarity as Cypriots, and in that regard Turkish Cypriots represent a vanguard. This, too, is something to think about.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yet Lordo accuses me of demeaning Akinci when I was the only one in this forum who was praising him when he was about to get elected. Lordo was here when B25 was calling me Turkophile for that hy won't he just search my posts to find out?
I still recognise huge braveness to Akinci, he was the only one who disregarded Turkey and took al responsibility on his shoulders. Partitionists in the occupied were about to eat him alive when he took the initiative without first getting the aproval from Turkey to present maps on the table....
But the truth has to be told. Akinci was forced to appoint Tatar as his Prime minister who in turn appointed partitionist Ministers.

Unfortunately the vast majority of TCs think we are not doing enough for them to help them get rid of Turkey. Instead of looking at the source of the problem which is their partitionists/Enosists with Turkey, Denktashes/Eroglus/Tatars who make sure they do everything possible to make solution impossible, they accuse the weak side (the GCs) for not helping.
How can we help when the settlers became so many that they steal the TC vote in favor of Tatar and his gang??? And how can we help when denktash made such an electoral system in the occupied that basically makes it impossible for any TC president to solve the CP?

The Tcs imo must do their own revolution. And they can't do that in the occupied. A starting point could be to form their own government within the RoC, and perhps the return to 1960 constitution is one of the ways to achieve that.

[Lordo]

This is where our chat ends. You know very well that anything said or agreed at these talks are not written down. The point of the UN report proves that you info onAkinci running after seeing the six chapters including Guarantee and Turkish Army was mentioned was not true.

As to Varosha, it was offered with no strings attached other than both sides sitting in the same room to negotiate. Eventually they did sit in the same room so clearly there was no cost.

Anyway

Have a nice day.

I will not bother with you again. Or any other of the Sheepriots.

[Maximus]

This is where our chat ends. You know very well that anything said or agreed at these talks are not written down. The point of the UN report proves that you info onAkinci running after seeing the six chapters including Guarantee and Turkish Army was mentioned was not true.

As to Varosha, it was offered with no strings attached other than both sides sitting in the same room to negotiate. Eventually they did sit in the same room so clearly there was no cost.

Anyway

Have a nice day.

I will not bother with you again. Or any other of the Sheepriots.

So why is it still under Turkish military occupation?

[Pyrpolizer]

This is where our chat ends. You know very well that anything said or agreed at these talks are not written down. The point of the UN report proves that you info onAkinci running after seeing the six chapters including Guarantee and Turkish Army was mentioned was not true.

As to Varosha, it was offered with no strings attached other than both sides sitting in the same room to negotiate. Eventually they did sit in the same room so clearly there was no cost.

Anyway

Have a nice day.

I will not bother with you again. Or any other of the Sheepriots.

Akinci wasn't the Turkish delegation just like Anastasiades wasn't the Greek delegation
The Turkish delegation was preparing suitcases one day before the UNSG declared impasse.

[Pyrpolizer]

btw this is the truth about the 1978 proposal for Varoshia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... c9d1f7ee6/

Every sensible GC returning would like to know in advance who is going to provide him amenities, to whom they are going to pay taxes, and whether they would have direct access to the free areas or not. Or else we would end with another 35,000 enclaved.
No such details were given...

[Lordo]

btw this is the truth about the 1978 proposal for Varoshia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... c9d1f7ee6/

Every sensible GC returning would like to know in advance who is going to provide him amenities, to whom they are going to pay taxes, and whether they would have direct access to the free areas or not. Or else we would end with another 35,000 enclaved.
No such details were given...

More bullshit. It was going to be under UN administration. I wonder which bit did you not understand, the word "UN" or the word "Administration"? I gues there was no point to say yes and find out what the actualplan was, it is far better to reject it. Excellent idea.

However, "If Denktash wants a solution," Kyprianou said, "let him present a plan in which Varosha would be left in the hands of the Cyprus government". So rather than allow 35,000 people be allowed to go back to their properties they decided to reject it. And here we are 2021 and still wating and of course the wholeMarash will have to be built now when then there would have been minimum investement to bring back the properties back to life.