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[Lordo]

you would have been a province of Greece so fuck off you cnut.

As if that is worse than living under a Turkish apartheid.

Like I said, idiots like you created the problem and passed it down to future generations.

Then you pissed off to live in Christian democracies.

No boy, thats not what you claimed. Now you are saying it would have been ok if you were allowed to destroy RoC and live under Greece. Perhaps in the meantime contact some Turks who live in Western Thrace to sww how they feel about living in your christian democracy. Shove it boy.

Where I live is no concern of your you idiot. It was your idiots in the 60s that forced me out in the first place but of course I cannot expect cunting idiots like you to understand what you did to Cyprus or TCs now fuck offff

[Maximus]

So its noones business where you live but you think it is your business to tell others how they should live,

Asiktir re

[Lordo]

So its noones business where you live but you think it is your business to tell others how they should live,

Asiktir re

We are talking about the 60s you fucking cnut. I was there at the time suffering like the rest of the TCs.

Have you ever gone to bed a child not knowing if you were going to be alive in the morning?

I am convinced you are a mushroom. Fed bullshit in the dark. What the hell do you expect.

[Pyrpolizer]

Presumably only 14 passports have been revoked. (for a start of course). Let the cowards take a slap for once.

The 1960 constitution was actually bi-communal. Denktash wanted it to be also bi-zonal (re:separate municipalities) whereas Makarios rejected the idea. Imo it was better than the current goal for BBF
Certainly the 1960 is the only thing we ever agreed/signed with the TCs, so it's a good starting point in reuniting the Country.
No hopes though, Tatar is a partitionist, and remember the electoral system in the occupied is such that forced Akinci to appoint Tator as a Prime minister. who in turn appointed the rest of his gang as Ministers
Akinci took a break to go to the toilet, and upon return he found Tator, Ozersay and the rest of the gang having passed a law to steal Varoshia.And when Anastasiades asked for explanation Akinci cried little a little girl saying "But... it's not me who did it, it's.... THEM!!

LOL

[Maximus]

So its noones business where you live but you think it is your business to tell others how they should live,

Asiktir re

We are talking about the 60s you fucking cnut. I was there at the time suffering like the rest of the TCs.

Have you eveb gone to bed a child not knowing if you were going to alive in the morning?

I am convinced you are a mushroom. Fed bullshit in the dark. What the hell do you expect.

its 2021 and you still got the same apartheid mentality like your parents generation.

The Government of the RoC is right to revoke these shiesters passports.

Sounds like yours should be as well (if you got one).

[Lordo]

So its noones business where you live but you think it is your business to tell others how they should live,

Asiktir re

We are talking about the 60s you fucking cnut. I was there at the time suffering like the rest of the TCs.

Have you eveb gone to bed a child not knowing if you were going to alive in the morning?

I am convinced you are a mushroom. Fed bullshit in the dark. What the hell do you expect.

its 2021 and you still got the same apartheid mentality like your parents generation.

The Government of the RoC is right to revoke these shiesters passports.

Sounds like yours should be as well (if you got one).

You stupid cnut you are cluless. A few posts ago you said we would be ok under Greece. Get fucked you stupisd idiot.

[Pyrpolizer]

And yet in 2017 he showed no interest in this to Akinci when Akinci would have accepted his offer.

You expats as well as the vast majority of local TCs think that the "President" in the occupied has the same powers as the President of the RoC. Not at all, the one in the occupied has next to zero power, not only because it's Turkey and the Turkish ambassador who decides, but also because of the electoral system in the occupied. The only one who ever had equal (to the RoC President) internal power in the occupied was Talat **, but even for him it was extremely difficult to make a simple step forward. Remember what happened when he agreed with Christofias for the Ledras/Locmaci opening and the next day the Turkish Army said it's a military zone and Talat himself was ridiculed coming back with stupid new proposals to build a bridge imish?

** I mean from the non partitionists group. E.g. Denktash had equal power at certain period but he was the grand partitionist of all times.

[Lordo]

And yet in 2017 he showed no interest in this to Akinci when Akinci would have accepted his offer.

You expats as well as the vast majority of local TCs think that the "President" in the occupied has the same powers as the President of the RoC. Not at all, the one in the occupied has next to zero power, not only because it's Turkey and the Turkish ambassador who decides, but also because of the electoral system in the occupied. The only one who ever had equal (to the RoC President) internal power in the occupied was Talat, but even for him it was extremely difficult to make a simple step forward. Remember what happened when he agreed with Christofias for the Ledras/Locmaci opening and the next day the Turkish Army said it's a military zone and Talat himself was ridiculed coming back with stupid new proposals to build a bridge imish?

You are wrong in so many levels. So lets look at Akinci., He managed to get Erdogan to agree to remove the Guarantees once the implementation plan was complete under BBF as well as the Turkish Army to be removed in a phased period.

I don't really know what you expect from the TCs as they are totally dependent on Turkey financially due to the embargoes imposed on the TCs. I still cannot see how a GC is allowed to grow produce on TC land and export to the world but TCs cannot. This is why Anasyasiades and the rest of the GC leadership play hard ball in the negotiations. Now, what they failed to understand, it is not Turkey they are hurting it is TCs. It is TCs that will eventually leave and all you will have is a million Turks to deal with.

So perhaps you can explain the strategy of the GC side. How do they think it will play out. Does Turkey care what they impose on the TCs? What will produce the results.

Of course there those who think like DT who believe that they don't care what happens to who so long as the TCs are wiped out from Cyprus. I got news for the boys that think like that, not only will they not get anything back, they are more likely to lose the lot. Change of politicians in Turkey does not change the foreign policy of Turkey. So what ever it is they are waiting for, all they are going to get is jack shit.

[Pyrpolizer]

So lets look at Akinci., He managed to get Erdogan to agree to remove the Guarantees once the implementation plan was complete under BBF as well as the Turkish Army to be removed in a phased period.

When was that??? What we know is that as soon as the UN SG gave his 6 points/guidelines plan in Grans Montana which included the abolishment of Guarantees prerequisite, the Turkish delegation packed up and left.
If you have some evidence about what you said then please provide it.

So perhaps you can explain the strategy of the GC side. How do they think it will play out. Does Turkey care what they impose on the TCs? What will produce the results.

The GCs don't have the power or the means to plan a strategy. They just hope for a miracle. On the other hand TC leaders have the power and the means to impose partition. That's the easiest thing to do.It started with Denktash, continued with Eroglu and now with Tatar. A total of 40 years out of 47 since 1974: Bringing in settlers, selling stolen GC properties, and now start eating Varoshia.

[Lordo]

So lets look at Akinci., He managed to get Erdogan to agree to remove the Guarantees once the implementation plan was complete under BBF as well as the Turkish Army to be removed in a phased period.

When was that??? What we know is that as soon as the UN SG gave his 6 points/guidelines plan in Grans Montana which included the abolishment of Guarantees prerequisite, the Turkish delegation packed up and left.
If you have some evidence about what you said then please provide it.

So perhaps you can explain the strategy of the GC side. How do they think it will play out. Does Turkey care what they impose on the TCs? What will produce the results.

The GCs don't have the power or the means to plan a strategy. They just hope for a miracle. On the other hand TC leaders have the power and the means to impose partition. That's the easiest thing to do.It started with Denktash, continued with Eroglu and now with Tatar. A total of 40 years out of 47 since 1974: Bringing in settlers, selling stolen GC properties, and now start eating Varoshia.

There is really no point discussing this. You need to read up what really happened in Crans-Montana.

Here is an extract from the Man himself.

OBSERVATIONS
More specifically, in his observations at the last chapter of the report, Antonio Guterres records his assessment that “thanks to the tireless and determined efforts of the leaders and their teams and the unwavering support provided by the international community, the essence of a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem is practically there. The parties had come close to reaching a strategic understanding on security and guarantees as well as on all other outstanding core elements of a comprehensive settlement. It is therefore my firm belief that a historic opportunity was missed in Crans-Montana.”

Where does it say Akinci run for the hills? Come man read about what is going on. it clearly says they cam very close to strategic understanding till Anastasiades changed his stance from a fhased removal of the Guarantees to be replaced by the Implementation plan and pased complete withdrawal of Turkish Army except the original 650/900 set up.

Here is another bit.

STATUS OF PROCESS
The report offers a brief description of the negotiations which were organized into six chapters, – namely governance and power-sharing, economy, European Union matters, property, territory, and security and guarantees – since the talks between Christofias and Talat in 2008. It also clarifies that throughout this period of intense and results-oriented talks, the sides were guided by relevant Security Council resolutions as well as the Joint Declaration of 11 February 2014.
In the extensive chapter entitled “Status of the process”, he describes the progress accomplished in all six chapters of the negotiations, including the convergences and the remaining open issues. The chapter on the “status of process” also covers open issues like the writing of the Federal Constitution and the Federal Laws, the implementation of the acquis communautaire in a future Turkish Cypriot constituent state, ongoing work with international financial institutions on economic aspects of the settlement and planning for implementation, the unfinished work of the technical committees etc.

Does it sounds as though Akinci run away from anything? Like hel lhe did. To this day those who did not appreciate him are still in denial

Otherwise there is no point posting here. You cannot make it up as you go along like the other two cnuts.

There had the power to block any form of attack on the TC rights and they did. If they had power to impose taksim they would have done it by now.

If Tcs are not allowed to trade in anyway with the world, what will they do. Prostitution, gambling and selling GC properties that are not stolen they have exchanged for properties in the south.

I thought you were a serious man but you really are not. If you see the GC lands in the north as stolen and TC lands in the south as abandoned being looked after you also live in cloud cuckoo land I am afraid.

As to varosha, it was offered in 1978 and in the 80s too with no conditions and it was refused both times. Now it is too late.