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[Kikapu]

This never was about the Afghan people,

Lets recall what this foreign adventure was about.

It was about taking out the perpetrators of the terrorist attack on the twin towers.

If that event never happened, America and allies wouldnt have gone to Afganistan.

20 years later, its about the Afghan people! really....?

Yes really. The allies took care of business as far as the terrorists were concerned more than 10 years ago. We could have left then but we ended up staying, helping Afghanistan build its army.

We were all under no illusion that we stayed to help the Afghan Government and people. Till Biden that is.

Trump’s administration negotiated with the Taliban for the withdrawal of the American Military from Afghanistan.

That is what Biden has done. Trump has shown how he pulled the US troops from Syria leaving the Kurds at the mercy of the Turks. The only saving grace for the Kurds is, that some American Troops remained to guard the Oil Fields and the Russians which stepped in to protected the Kurds. Trump would have done the same against the Afghans, the racist cunt that he is. Biden had no winning hands in how to withdraw from Afghanistan as both end of the stick was shitty.

[Maximus]

They achieved their mission, then tried to set up a puppet government so they could exploit the country and its natural resources.

That failed and then after all this time, they probably realized that they were not going to get a return on their investment. Hence the withdrawal.

The Afgani's had a 300k strong security force, equipment and whatever else but corruption and a couldnt care less attitude allowed the country to fall back in to the Talibans hands.

They probably have more sympathizers and supporters among the local population than we could imagine.

But what I am more convinced about is, most Afganis are probably happy to see the end of the western occupation of their country.

Really Max! Then explain the scenes at Kabul Airport.

One of my favourite shopping precincts is actually a little place we affectionately refer to as “little Kabul”. I have not seen one happy Afghani about this. Not one!

Shocking! some morons tried to cling on to the plane while it was taking off.

The Taliban were there armed with machine guns and rpg's. They could have created a massacre,

They didnt though.

[repulsewarrior]

...one thing that remains hopeful. The Taliban have not had visions of world conflict like Al Qaeda; what they want is an Emirate, plain and simple.

While China has the upper hand at the moment with an economic package that is inviting, the rest of the world still has a good position to influence this trade; (they are in effect the clients China wishes to serve).

...i do not despair, such a People, the Taliban have provided us the proof of their resolve, to exist as a People, and to be recognised as such among the Family of Man. They at least have not exported their particular kind of terror. Isolated as they want to be, they have this as an advantage in their relations with other Muslims and "others" alike.

Turkey, Pakistan and Iran may have a Plan that includes them. Yet i am not convinced that the Taliban have their intentions in mind. They may decide (or have decided) to be good neighbours, what with all the minds that are focused on them the last forty years; thus, living in Peace, and with the rest of us.

...bear in mind, the Taliban and the US already have a deal; it is now a question of respect and trust.

[Lordo]

Too soon RW, too soon. They are already knocking on doors looking for their victims all of which are in hiding. So their relatives will face reprisals.

" The Taliban vowed Tuesday to respect women's rights, forgive those who fought them and ensure Afghanistan does not become a haven for terrorists as part of a publicity blitz aimed at reassuring world powers and a fearful populationWhat do they mean "The women are to have their rigts under Muslim"

What rights are these than?
"According to Islamic law, the rights of wife in Islam suggest that women have the right to receive a mahr or bridal gift from their spouses which is normally agreed and decided upon at the stage of negotiating a marriage."?

As to the rest of it, I will believe it when I see it. That is what Jengiz Han believed in and practiced but I suspect these animals have not reached his level yet.

Ironically of course Taliban was supported by two US allies. Pakistan who supplied weapons and training and Qatar who hosted the Taliban government in exile. How nice of the USA to just turn a blind eye. Perhaps they have assurances from their allies that Taliban this time round will not go against US interests. Thats very comforting indeed.

[Paphitis]

This never was about the Afghan people,

Lets recall what this foreign adventure was about.

It was about taking out the perpetrators of the terrorist attack on the twin towers.

If that event never happened, America and allies wouldnt have gone to Afganistan.

20 years later, its about the Afghan people! really....?

Yes really. The allies took care of business as far as the terrorists were concerned more than 10 years ago. We could have left then but we ended up staying, helping Afghanistan build its army.

We were all under no illusion that we stayed to help the Afghan Government and people. Till Biden that is.

Trump’s administration negotiated with the Taliban for the withdrawal of the American Military from Afghanistan.

That is what Biden has done. Trump has shown how he pulled the US troops from Syria leaving the Kurds at the mercy of the Turks. The only saving grace for the Kurds is, that some American Troops remained to guard the Oil Fields and the Russians which stepped in to protected the Kurds. Trump would have done the same against the Afghans, the racist cunt that he is. Biden had no winning hands in how to withdraw from Afghanistan as both end of the stick was shitty.

Trump had his election manifesto to live with which was to draw down on US Troops.

So it’s only normal US officials would meet with Taliban in Doha.

But what isn’t clear at all is whether Trump would have withdrawn all US Troops and allow Taliban to take over. In fact it is highly doubtful, given Trumps ego, that he would have allowed this to happen and bring humiliation to the US.

By now, he would have ordered air strikes.

All we know for a fact and with certainty is the humiliation and treachery to the Afghan people which Biden is answerable for. Biden must also answer to all the allies, including Australia. We lost 42 soldiers in Afghanistan. It’s time Biden explains himself. We want answers.

In the meantime, Biden is now finished politically. No one can take that incoherent dingbat seriously.

Over the 20 years, our troops have also grown to love and respect the Afghans they served with. It’s now heartbreaking that these brothers will now be subjugated to the Taliban because of Biden’s betrayal.

[Paphitis]

They achieved their mission, then tried to set up a puppet government so they could exploit the country and its natural resources.

That failed and then after all this time, they probably realized that they were not going to get a return on their investment. Hence the withdrawal.

The Afgani's had a 300k strong security force, equipment and whatever else but corruption and a couldnt care less attitude allowed the country to fall back in to the Talibans hands.

They probably have more sympathizers and supporters among the local population than we could imagine.

But what I am more convinced about is, most Afganis are probably happy to see the end of the western occupation of their country.

Really Max! Then explain the scenes at Kabul Airport.

One of my favourite shopping precincts is actually a little place we affectionately refer to as “little Kabul”. I have not seen one happy Afghani about this. Not one!

Shocking! some morons tried to cling on to the plane while it was taking off.

The Taliban were there armed with machine guns and rpg's. They could have created a massacre,

They didnt though.

If they shot at the US Galaxy, it would have been over for the Taliban. that's why they didn't.

The US qould respond with overwhelming firepower.

[Paphitis]

...one thing that remains hopeful. The Taliban have not had visions of world conflict like Al Qaeda; what they want is an Emirate, plain and simple.

While China has the upper hand at the moment with an economic package that is inviting, the rest of the world still has a good position to influence this trade; (they are in effect the clients China wishes to serve).

...i do not despair, such a People, the Taliban have provided us the proof of their resolve, to exist as a People, and to be recognised as such among the Family of Man. They at least have not exported their particular kind of terror. Isolated as they want to be, they have this as an advantage in their relations with other Muslims and "others" alike.

Turkey, Pakistan and Iran may have a Plan that includes them. Yet i am not convinced that the Taliban have their intentions in mind. They may decide (or have decided) to be good neighbours, what with all the minds that are focused on them the last forty years; thus, living in Peace, and with the rest of us.

...bear in mind, the Taliban and the US already have a deal; it is now a question of respect and trust.

That's because the US Military is still there RW. Only about 6000 of them, a handful of Brits and Aussies. But still enough to make the Taliban mount their donkeys for the hills.

I wouldn't be talking about the virtues of the Talivan because there are no virtues. They have already shown their true colours. It will get worse once the Americans are all out. I actually fear many of those stranded at Kabul will be executed or end up in a Talibani Prison.

They have not decided to be good neighbors, especially with India as Afghanistan and the Taliban are more or less a Pakistani proxy against the Indians.

[Lordo]

Anybody noticed the similarities.

[Lordo]

They achieved their mission, then tried to set up a puppet government so they could exploit the country and its natural resources.

That failed and then after all this time, they probably realized that they were not going to get a return on their investment. Hence the withdrawal.

The Afgani's had a 300k strong security force, equipment and whatever else but corruption and a couldnt care less attitude allowed the country to fall back in to the Talibans hands.

They probably have more sympathizers and supporters among the local population than we could imagine.

But what I am more convinced about is, most Afganis are probably happy to see the end of the western occupation of their country.

Really Max! Then explain the scenes at Kabul Airport.

One of my favourite shopping precincts is actually a little place we affectionately refer to as “little Kabul”. I have not seen one happy Afghani about this. Not one!

Shocking! some morons tried to cling on to the plane while it was taking off.

The Taliban were there armed with machine guns and rpg's. They could have created a massacre,

They didnt though.

You stupid cunt. You are talking about people who have lost their lives because of the action they took to live as they feared certain death. Go find a fuking cesspool and fuckin jump in it. Idiot.

[Maximus]

On Wednesday, Waheedullah Hashimi, a senior member of the Taliban, said Afghanistan would be governed by a ruling council with no democratic system.

“There will be no democratic system at all because it does not have any base in our country,” Hashimi told Reuters. “We will not discuss what type of system should we apply to Afghanistan because it is clear. It is sharia law and that is it.”

“We welcome the restrained and moderate statements made by the Taliban leadership,” Erdoğan told five local television channels on Wednesday.