repulsewarrior wrote:...unlike Canada, the sun never sets on the British empire. Britain can expect the scrutiny. And while it might be said that England is not a superpower anymore they too have the Bomb.
...indeed, it is insulting to watch American newscasters talk trash and lie on Canadian issues that they know next to nothing about, (Tucker Carlson an excellent example), but in Lordo's case it is different, he is British and he cares.
...reminds me of the sinking of the Belgrado, of the first shot in the war (reported by the BBC), taken by the British and outside their own security zone, (it was a devastating announcement); i was there in London, stiff upper lip, not a word from anyone, in public or in private, if this (taking the first shot) was right or wrong: this seemed strange to me.
Loyalty to a State, a Democratic state, requires debate; Loyalty to a "Government" is a dangerous thing.
The British Empire was largely history when I was in primary school. My ancestors back in those times - long ago - were scratching a living in squalid East London poverty (a Great Grandfather died of pneumonia in the Whitechapel work house). None of the Empire's ill gotten gains managed to trickle down in their direction. So, perhaps you will understand why I don't feel the need to apologise and am not actually a "Colonialist". Given that Lordo's apparently third generation British (
) and seems to be a man with quite an extensive property portfolio, perhaps he should take up that baton? The Belgrado (sic) wasn't the "first shot in the war" by a long measure. Perhaps a little research would help? Can I recommend reading "100 days" by Sandy Woodward?
Lordo wrote:Not being able to criticize a government is not democracy. LR is one of those idiots which believe you should be loyal to your government so long as they are swine like himself. You know like common fascists. If it was a Corbyn government I doubt he would be loyal.
The ship was named General Belgrano. It was outside of the declared war zone and was heading to port when it was sunk. Knot tied himself into knots for the withholding evidence and had to resign.
Funny enough it was British government that sold it to them.
I'd say you're being misleading but that's a bit too subtle for you and I suspect it's the usual idiocy, or perhaps just plain lying. I've said on umpteen occasions I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Tory government and fully expect it to implode. Nevertheless, Corbyn was a joke. One which cost Labour it's greatest electoral defeat in nearly a century. (Although, on the plus side, it did give you a year off.
) That, against a buffoon like Johnson. Jeremy's now back where he belongs, someone who makes megaphone speeches to looney left gatherings. From a mainstream political POV he's history. Move on. From your posts in this and the Ukraine threads you clearly have absolutely no interest at all in the concept of "democracy".
Again, do you ever actually look into things before you post? Because it's quite often a load of embarrassing BS?
John Nott was Defence Secretary in 1982 and offered his resignation because the invasion took place on his watch. Thatcher didn't accept it though (unlike Carrington's) and he remained in post throughout the conflict. Being replaced by Heseltine in 1983.
The Belgrano was an ex US WW2 cruiser that was a survivor of Pearl Harbour and saw service in the Pacific. It was sold to Argentina by the US in 1951.
You're just making it up as you go along. Then, without a clue of the irony or hypocrisy involved, accuse those who disagree with you of being your intellectual inferiors.
