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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:24 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:...there is absolute randomness in the universe. If there was a designer he wouldn't create trillions of useless rocky planets...
Question is can randomness create something as complex as life? The answer is yes. Conditions just happened to be right, for this to happen through a series of random chemistry. Look at the similarity of all animals, one head, 2 eyes, one mouth, 2 ears, 4 legs etc. They all originate from the same micro-organism.

I’ve already tested randomness (via programming) and it doesn’t produce anything worth looking at even!

I posted a dedicated thread on randomness years ago with all my experiments and you probably missed it.

As a result of it, I’m completely satisfied that randomness cannot produce anything that even remotely looks good let alone have any functions!
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:28 pm

Lordo wrote:1. If life is in a perfect baklance to exist how come 95% of living organisms on earth have gone extinct.

The when, why and how something died at some later stage, is a different kettle of fish!

Lordo wrote:2. Life on earth does not just depend on the sun, there is life in the oceans that live in total darkness not dependent on the sun.

Just because they discovered a handful of deep sea creatures dependent on thermo-vents doesn’t mean they’re not reliant on the sun. Everything is inter-related so if the top sea creatures die out so too will the bottom eventually.

The bottom creatures feed on what falls down! :)

Lordo wrote:3. If you take away gravity we will not die gradually, there will be no lofe on earth, it will float away into space and so will the air that we breathe and water that we drink. Without gravity you will not survive more than a few minutes.

For a fee you can go up in a plane which is intentionally stalled at a certain height so you can experience zero gravity for about half an hour. Nobody has died from this experience yet.

Astronauts in space stations live without gravity for months upon end and they too don’t die.
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Lordo » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:1. If life is in a perfect baklance to exist how come 95% of living organisms on earth have gone extinct.

The when, why and how something died at some later stage, is a different kettle of fish!

Lordo wrote:2. Life on earth does not just depend on the sun, there is life in the oceans that live in total darkness not dependent on the sun.

Just because they discovered a handful of deep sea creatures dependent on thermo-vents doesn’t mean they’re not reliant on the sun. Everything is inter-related so if the top sea creatures die out so too will the bottom eventually.

Lordo wrote:3. If you take away gravity we will not die gradually, there will be no lofe on earth, it will float away into space and so will the air that we breathe and water that we drink. Without gravity you will not survive more than a few minutes.

For a fee you can go up in a plane which is intentionally stalled at a certain height so you can experience zero gravity for about half an hour. Nobody has died from this experience yet.

Astronauts in space stations live without gravity for months upon end and they too don’t die.

You missed the point about life and gravity completely. I was refering to gravity on earth that we depend on to live and it suddenly being no more. What would happen to life on earth. It is gravity that enables us to walk on this earth and it is gravity that holds water and air around the earth. Without it there will be no air and no water on earth.
Of course people in space survive for a very long time without gravity but then again their water and air which they depend on is contained within the lab. However, despite everything and them exercising too they still waste muscle. So clearly gravity has something to do with it even when they are getting all the nutrition they need from within the lab.
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:46 pm

Lordo wrote:You missed the point about life and gravity completely. I was refering to gravity on earth that we depend on to live and it suddenly being no more. What would happen to life on earth. It is gravity that enables us to walk on this earth and it is gravity that holds water and air around the earth. Without it there will be no air and no water on earth.
Of course people in space survive for a very long time without gravity but then again their water and air which they depend on is contained within the lab. However, despite everything and them exercising too they still waste muscle. So clearly gravity has something to do with it even when they are getting all the nutrition they need from within the lab.

I don’t doubt that extended periods of zero-gravity can lead to muscle wastage… it’s common sense.

But why worship gravity? If you must… start worshipping the electromagnetism then produced by solar systems that lead to the gravitational pull!
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:59 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:...there is absolute randomness in the universe. If there was a designer he wouldn't create trillions of useless rocky planets...
Question is can randomness create something as complex as life? The answer is yes. Conditions just happened to be right, for this to happen through a series of random chemistry. Look at the similarity of all animals, one head, 2 eyes, one mouth, 2 ears, 4 legs etc. They all originate from the same micro-organism.

I’ve already tested randomness (via programming) and it doesn’t produce anything worth looking at even!

I posted a dedicated thread on randomness years ago with all my experiments and you probably missed it.

As a result of it, I’m completely satisfied that randomness cannot produce anything that even remotely looks good let alone have any functions!


That's because you did not set the conditions. The conditions on earth were already set, once again by pure chance over trillions of other useless planets.What happened on earth was something like a+b=c. After trillions upon trillions of c failing to survive there came one c that divided in 2 and survived.That was the beginning of life.

Btw that's just a hypothesis. What I am sure of is
a)God exists but it's inconceivable.
b) Everything God related is within the concept of infinitive.
c)This universe started as infinite Energy.
d) Everything that followed is infinitely random
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:01 pm

A little addendum…

In physics they tend to differentiate gravity (attraction of masses) from electromagnetism (attraction of electric charges).

Imagine a massive fireball with a conductive core producing a tremendous electromagnetic field which then sucks in other lesser conductive cores (smaller planets) in the vicinity, and viola… you have a solar system!

In physics they teach that it’s the mass of the solar planet that attracts smaller planets around it, but I’m not entirely convinced.
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:05 pm

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Get Real! wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:...there is absolute randomness in the universe. If there was a designer he wouldn't create trillions of useless rocky planets...
Question is can randomness create something as complex as life? The answer is yes. Conditions just happened to be right, for this to happen through a series of random chemistry. Look at the similarity of all animals, one head, 2 eyes, one mouth, 2 ears, 4 legs etc. They all originate from the same micro-organism.

I’ve already tested randomness (via programming) and it doesn’t produce anything worth looking at even!

I posted a dedicated thread on randomness years ago with all my experiments and you probably missed it.

As a result of it, I’m completely satisfied that randomness cannot produce anything that even remotely looks good let alone have any functions!


That's because you did not set the conditions. The conditions on earth were already set, once again by pure chance over trillions of other useless planets.What happened on earth was something like a+b=c. After trillions upon trillions of c failing to survive there came one c that divided in 2 and survived.That was the beginning of life.

Who says I didn’t set some conditions? There are broad conditions that have to be set but if you go too deep in setting everything then it’s no longer random but DESIGNER!
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:09 pm

To explain the difference between gravity and electromagnetism…

Just because the guy next to me weighs 1 ton doesn’t mean that I have to follow him, but if his fatness produced a proportionate amount of charge then I would probably have to follow him forever!

I'm thus not convinced that masses alone can pull other objects closer to them.

That’s my theory anyway.

I read lots but I don’t necessarily always agree with what I read even if they’re well established theories.

I don’t write about my theories because I don’t care enough to make them public.
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Lordo » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:21 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:You missed the point about life and gravity completely. I was refering to gravity on earth that we depend on to live and it suddenly being no more. What would happen to life on earth. It is gravity that enables us to walk on this earth and it is gravity that holds water and air around the earth. Without it there will be no air and no water on earth.
Of course people in space survive for a very long time without gravity but then again their water and air which they depend on is contained within the lab. However, despite everything and them exercising too they still waste muscle. So clearly gravity has something to do with it even when they are getting all the nutrition they need from within the lab.

I don’t doubt that extended periods of zero-gravity can lead to muscle wastage… it’s common sense.

But why worship gravity? If you must… start worshipping the electromagnetism then produced by solar systems that lead to the gravitational pull!

I do not worship gravity. I am merely stating a fact that without gravity on earth, life would not exist for earth and the rest of the solar system would not exist. And before you tell me god created it this way, no it did not.

I still maintain that if indeed somebody designed our existance, clearly it was not a very clever design as not only 95% of life on earth went estinct at some point or other but the whole solar system seems to be very sparsly populated.

If I was creating life I would have designed it such that life would exist on all planets.

Life on here is based on Carbon and Oxygen. It can just as easily be based on Silicon, Germanium, Tin, Lead and Flerovium and insread of Oxygen, Sulfur, Tellurioum, Selenium, Poloniu, and Livermorium. Depending on what conditions existed on a planet Carbon group would serve the function of Carbon and the Oxygen would serve the function Oxygen serves here.

But of course not all combinations are life friendly. The most acidic rain in the Solar System is found on the planet Venus, where the working fluid in the cycle of evaporation, condensation and precipitation is a sulphuric acid solution (rather than water, as on Earth). So you can see the conditions rather than using Oxygen has sulfur forming sulphuric acid instead of water and so on.

Surely this is not designed.
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Re: Life on Earth

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:24 pm

You lost me there Lordo... :? :lol:
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