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[erolz66]

It’s ok. Tit for tat since he is an ass!

You did not call me an ass. You called me a 'Turk'. Yet I am a Cypriot in every possible sense of the word but to you I will always be 'other', be 'not Cypriot' and that is at the core of the Cyprus's failure to date.

Awe! And you think I care what you are?

Actually, you may not think so but I am very progressive. I don’t have any issue with TCs expressing their Cypriotness. Not a single issue.

What am I Paphitis ? Am I a Turk or a Cypriot ? Make your mind up.

[Paphitis]

It’s ok. Tit for tat since he is an ass!

You did not call me an ass. You called me a 'Turk'. Yet I am a Cypriot in every possible sense of the word but to you I will always be 'other', be 'not Cypriot' and that is at the core of the Cyprus's failure to date.

Awe! And you think I care what you are?

Actually, you may not think so but I am very progressive. I don’t have any issue with TCs expressing their Cypriotness. Not a single issue.

What am I Paphitis ? Am I a Turk or a Cypriot ? Make your mind up.

You’re an ass!

There are many TC who are not an ass. There are many Turks who are not an ass. There are many Cypriots who are not an ass. There are some Cypriots who are an ass. You are an ass!

[erolz66]

You’re an ass!

There are many TC who are not an ass. There are many Turks who are not an ass. There are many Cypriots who are not an ass. There are some Cypriots who are an ass. You are an ass!

So am I a Cypriot ass or a Turkish ass ? You were pretty clear that I was a 'Turk' before , yet I am not a Turk. To you though it seems I am a Turk, I am not Cypriot, can not be Cypriot. I can have Cypriot parentage going back generations, I can have lived in Cyprus, I can have a RoC passport yet to you I will never be a Cypriot. That is the Cyprus problem, that mindset is integral to how and why Cyprus is in the mess it is today with little prospect of getting out of it any time soon.

imo.

[Paphitis]

You’re an ass!

There are many TC who are not an ass. There are many Turks who are not an ass. There are many Cypriots who are not an ass. There are some Cypriots who are an ass. You are an ass!

So am I a Cypriot ass or a Turkish ass ? You were pretty clear that I was a 'Turk' before , yet I am not a Turk. To you though it seems I am a Turk, I am not Cypriot, can not be Cypriot. I can have Cypriot parentage going back generations, I can have lived in Cyprus, I can have a RoC passport yet to you I will never be a Cypriot. That is the Cyprus problem, that mindset is integral to how and why Cyprus is in the mess it is today with little prospect of getting out of it any time soon.

imo.

If you must insist, you are a Cypriot ass.

[erolz66]

You’re an ass!

There are many TC who are not an ass. There are many Turks who are not an ass. There are many Cypriots who are not an ass. There are some Cypriots who are an ass. You are an ass!

So am I a Cypriot ass or a Turkish ass ? You were pretty clear that I was a 'Turk' before , yet I am not a Turk. To you though it seems I am a Turk, I am not Cypriot, can not be Cypriot. I can have Cypriot parentage going back generations, I can have lived in Cyprus, I can have a RoC passport yet to you I will never be a Cypriot. That is the Cyprus problem, that mindset is integral to how and why Cyprus is in the mess it is today with little prospect of getting out of it any time soon.

imo.

If you must insist, you are a Cypriot ass.

So why did you call me a Turk ?

[erolz66]

I have stated as a Cypriot that I support reunification into a unitary state but it has to be one where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot your are. Not just in 'theory' or 'on paper' but in actuality, in terms of actual outcomes. The reality is that within Cyprus , historically and today there is such a thing as 'Greek privilege'. That, all else being equal, you will have as a GC more advantage over a Cypriot that is not Greek. This is easy to not notice when you are GC, easy to deny but its real and if we are to create a Cyprus where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are, it something that GC need to get a grip on imo.

[DT.]

I have stated as a Cypriot that I support reunification into a unitary state but it has to be one where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot your are. Not just in 'theory' or 'on paper' but in actuality, in terms of actual outcomes. The reality is that within Cyprus , historically and today there is such a thing as 'Greek privilege'. That, all else being equal, you will have as a GC more advantage over a Cypriot that is not Greek. This is easy to not notice when you are GC, easy to deny but its real and if we are to create a Cyprus where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are, it something that GC need to get a grip on imo.

last time we came to blows seems to me that Turkish privilege went a little unchecked..

[erolz66]

I have stated as a Cypriot that I support reunification into a unitary state but it has to be one where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot your are. Not just in 'theory' or 'on paper' but in actuality, in terms of actual outcomes. The reality is that within Cyprus , historically and today there is such a thing as 'Greek privilege'. That, all else being equal, you will have as a GC more advantage over a Cypriot that is not Greek. This is easy to not notice when you are GC, easy to deny but its real and if we are to create a Cyprus where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are, it something that GC need to get a grip on imo.

last time we came to blows seems to me that Turkish privilege went a little unchecked..

Can you really see no connection between us coming to blows and the reality of 'greek privilege' and the systematic labelling of Cypriots as 'not Cypriot / Turk', things that still are widespread and prevalent today as they ever were. And I am not saying that the TC community has done nothing wrong, far from it but these realities exits as far as I am concerned and if we truly , genuinely want a Cyprus where it does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are then these things need to be discussed. It is easy to think and feel that many GC who say they want a unitary Cyprus do so because 'greek privilege' exits and they want it to continue to exist rather than tackle the issue , which actually is required if we want a Cyprus where it does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are.

[DT.]

I have stated as a Cypriot that I support reunification into a unitary state but it has to be one where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot your are. Not just in 'theory' or 'on paper' but in actuality, in terms of actual outcomes. The reality is that within Cyprus , historically and today there is such a thing as 'Greek privilege'. That, all else being equal, you will have as a GC more advantage over a Cypriot that is not Greek. This is easy to not notice when you are GC, easy to deny but its real and if we are to create a Cyprus where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are, it something that GC need to get a grip on imo.

last time we came to blows seems to me that Turkish privilege went a little unchecked..

Can you really see no connection between us coming to blows and the reality of 'greek privilege' and the systematic labelling of Cypriots as 'not Cypriot / Turk', things that still are widespread and prevalent today as they ever were. And I am not saying that the TC community has done nothing wrong, far from it but these realities exits as far as I am concerned and if we truly , genuinely want a Cyprus where it does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are then these things need to be discussed. It is easy to think and feel that many GC who say they want a unitary Cyprus do so because 'greek privilege' exits and they want it to continue to exist rather than tackle the issue , which actually is required if we want a Cyprus where it does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are.

I'm totally with you, just also conscious of the fact that you speak of GC privilege when there's some twilight zone Turkish entitlement attitudes that I imagine you should also be focusing on.

[erolz66]

I have stated as a Cypriot that I support reunification into a unitary state but it has to be one where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot your are. Not just in 'theory' or 'on paper' but in actuality, in terms of actual outcomes. The reality is that within Cyprus , historically and today there is such a thing as 'Greek privilege'. That, all else being equal, you will have as a GC more advantage over a Cypriot that is not Greek. This is easy to not notice when you are GC, easy to deny but its real and if we are to create a Cyprus where it really does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are, it something that GC need to get a grip on imo.

last time we came to blows seems to me that Turkish privilege went a little unchecked..

Can you really see no connection between us coming to blows and the reality of 'greek privilege' and the systematic labelling of Cypriots as 'not Cypriot / Turk', things that still are widespread and prevalent today as they ever were. And I am not saying that the TC community has done nothing wrong, far from it but these realities exits as far as I am concerned and if we truly , genuinely want a Cyprus where it does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are then these things need to be discussed. It is easy to think and feel that many GC who say they want a unitary Cyprus do so because 'greek privilege' exits and they want it to continue to exist rather than tackle the issue , which actually is required if we want a Cyprus where it does not matter what kind of Cypriot you are.

I'm totally with you, just also conscious of the fact that you speak of GC privilege when there's some twilight zone Turkish entitlement attitudes that I imagine you should also be focusing on.

Oh I am more than aware of that and believe me I do challenge those attitudes as well. In this instance this all started with Paphitis calling me a 'Turk' , hence the focus on the GC side of things here and now in this thread.