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[Paphitis]

If the vehicle is being manufactured by a company calling themselves 3-wheeler,

Then no other company can manufacture vehicles and sell them as 3-wheeler.

but that doesnt stop other manufacturers creating 3 wheeled vehicles.

Unless a patent was granted to 3-wheeler that states that only they can make vehicles with only 3 wheels because it is their intellectual property.

do you get it now?

You're talking about trademarks while I was talking about patents.

It looks like every country is free to determine its own status.

The UK revoked any trademark to Cyprus and henceforth can make Halloumi.

Australia never recognized any trade mark or patent on Halloumi and henceforth the EU has no jurisdiction or power to do anything about it.

https://legal-patent.com/international- ... ection-uk/

Looks like it's all ridgy didge.

Silly goose... that was 2018


https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/sourcing/cy ... 65.article

Trademark alive and well today

No more halloumi for you matey unless it’s made in Cyprus the proper way that only our farmers can do.

It makes no difference at all.

I really don't understand what it is you think you will gain.

At worst case scenario for Australia, they will just change the name to Grilloumi or BBQLoumi or some other name. They will still produce it exactly the same way they have always done and supply all the Australian Chains and the Australian Market.

And that will only happen IF, and it is a STRONG IF, the Australian courts recognize the trademark which is EXTREMELY dicey. Chances are, they won't recognize stuff all and henceforth won't change the name.

And then there will be repercussions for you as well. Such as they could ban the importation of Cypriot Halloumi. Not that Australia would be a big market for it, because demand for it is low. It doesn't taste good or fresh by the time it hits our shores.

Care factor either way for me is pretty dam close to ZERO. Whether the Australians call it Halloumi, or Grilloumi, or BBQLoumi or kangaroo cheese, I will still buy it because the product is clearly VERY GOOD.

You got a very uphill battle here methinks. You goal is to convince Australia that there are valid grounds for a trademark and that won't be easy at all.

And don't delude yourselves. Whatever happens here will not have any affect at all on any trade deal between Australia and EU. the EU will drop your sorry arses like a hot potato if it jeopardized any trade deal with Australia because the simple fact is this - Australia is a major player in the resources sector, and the EU need resources and energy and Australian Agriculture and produce as well as a myriad of other things. The EU is a lot more dependent on Australia than Australia is of the EU.

[DT.]

Won’t expect you to understand how the EU works but this trade deal is getting done and Australia is taking it. We have a 6obn trade agreement with Australia and your sorry asses are running a 34bn deficit. Peanuts to the EU....means a whole lot to a 3rd world country in the middle of nowhere like Australia.

[Paphitis]

Won’t expect you to understand how the EU works but this trade deal is getting done and Australia is taking it. We have a 6obn trade agreement with Australia and your sorry asses are running a 34bn deficit. Peanuts to the EU....means a whole lot to a 3rd world country in the middle of nowhere like Australia.

Australia is taking what?

Here is a newsflash for you. I had not even one iota of a clue that Australia and the EU were signing any trade deal. It's not even being reported.

If it was with the US, or the UK, or even perhaps Chy-na, it would be reported but nothing heard about the EU. Very odd.

And, no I really don't think Australia is changing a thing or will accept such a thing. Again, I already told you. The care factor is close to zero as pretty much nothing changes.

The loser here will be Cyprus, because even if there is a trade deal, they could stop the importation of Halloumi and cite some intricate excuse such as health grounds or not meeting Australian Standards. Aussies do that.

In the meantime, the Halloumi, Grilloumi or BBQLoumi will still be rolling off the production lines. We will still have the stuff in our fridge.

I have not heard of a single thing that Australia is taking a FTD with the EU. All we hear right now is the bitch fight between Australia and EU over vaccines. Cyprus was never mentioned at all.

The Australian Government accused the EU that it stopped the delivery of 500,000 vaccines to Australia. then we had a death from blood clots. So Australia now bans that very vaccine and the EU is accusing Australia of over reacting. a bit of political tit for tat here for sure.

What I think has happened is that Australia has just shit canned Astra Zeneca as a reprisal against the EU. Not because some old codger died.

[Paphitis]

Won’t expect you to understand how the EU works but this trade deal is getting done and Australia is taking it. We have a 6obn trade agreement with Australia and your sorry asses are running a 34bn deficit. Peanuts to the EU....means a whole lot to a 3rd world country in the middle of nowhere like Australia.

Put it this way, any FTD between Australia and the EU is at least 10 years away. They been negotiating that since 2017.

So in the meantime, how about we just keep calling it Halloumi?

[Maximus]

Australia can create its own style of Cypriot cheese,

If Halloumi is trademarked, which it appears to be so, Australian producers cant sell their version as Halloumi.

If Australia wants to sell Halloumi, they will have to get it under license to produce it locally or import it. Which I understand, the latter is not the best or the most cost effective. But the former is viable and possible.
A Cypriot consortium can set up a business in Australia and produce and sell the cheese as Halloumi, but no one else can.

The issue with your preference, is neither hear nor there. You can go in to a supermarket and buy an equivalent. But someone going in to a store to buy Halloumi will see Halloumi on the packaging and pick that one up.

Not some equivalent selling under someone elses trade mark.

Its like Hoover, that name became synonymous with vacuum cleaner but Hoover is actually a brand, its trade marked and that is the deal with Halloumi.

You cant sell vacuum cleaners as Hoover unless you are Hoover, but you can run around calling vacuum cleaners Hoover all you like and advertise that brand.

That is what is protected.

Someone looking for Halloumi is getting Halloumi and not giving money to someone else who infringing on someone else trademark.

[boomerang]

it will most likely go the same way as champagne...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne

[Paphitis]

Australia can create its own style of Cypriot cheese,

If Halloumi is trademarked, which it appears to be so, Australian producers cant sell their version as Halloumi.

If Australia wants to sell Halloumi, they will have to get it under license to produce it locally or import it. Which I understand, the latter is not the best or the most cost effective. But the former is viable and possible.
A Cypriot consortium can set up a business in Australia and produce and sell the cheese as Halloumi, but no one else can.

The issue with your preference, is neither hear nor there. You can go in to a supermarket and buy an equivalent. But someone going in to a store to buy Halloumi will see Halloumi on the packaging and pick that one up.

Not some equivalent selling under someone elses trade mark.

Its like Hoover, that name became synonymous with vacuum cleaner but Hoover is actually a brand, its trade marked and that is the deal with Halloumi.

You cant sell vacuum cleaners as Hoover unless you are Hoover, but you can run around calling vacuum cleaners Hoover all you like and advertise that brand.

That is what is protected.

Someone looking for Halloumi is getting Halloumi and not giving money to someone else who infringing on someone else trademark.

About 10 years ago or slightly more, but not that long ago, Aussies had no idea about Halloumi apart from a few foodies.

We use to buy the imported stuff. From Greek wholesalers.

I never ate much at all. Was never a fan. We have so many choices in Australia and there are so many fine cheeses. Halloumi just didn’t rate that well. The only ones to buy it were Cypriots.

Now, Halloumi is quite well known. The Australian ones are sought after because you can grill them and they are fresher.

I’m not sure how it will pan out but getting trade Mark rights in Australia will take some time and it would have to adhere to Australian law. Either way, at worst, if they have to change the name, they will and that product will be sought after.

Australia probably won’t be seeking licences because the Dairy Industry here is too big and they won’t do it just for naming rights when they can create their own version and call it something else.

They have such market presence that what they will do is dump their product for a song and once people learn about it they will jack the prices up.

They are able to get their products onto the big chain shelves easily. They pay the chains millions in rent every year for the shelf space. Cyprus wouldn’t be able to afford it. Your producers will go bankrupt,

The only thing you can do is get some Greek Wholesalers to buy it. But they also stock Australian Halloumi which most of us prefer to buy so in the end market always dictates.

[Paphitis]

Australia can create its own style of Cypriot cheese,

If Halloumi is trademarked, which it appears to be so, Australian producers cant sell their version as Halloumi.

If Australia wants to sell Halloumi, they will have to get it under license to produce it locally or import it. Which I understand, the latter is not the best or the most cost effective. But the former is viable and possible.
A Cypriot consortium can set up a business in Australia and produce and sell the cheese as Halloumi, but no one else can.

The issue with your preference, is neither hear nor there. You can go in to a supermarket and buy an equivalent. But someone going in to a store to buy Halloumi will see Halloumi on the packaging and pick that one up.

Not some equivalent selling under someone elses trade mark.

Its like Hoover, that name became synonymous with vacuum cleaner but Hoover is actually a brand, its trade marked and that is the deal with Halloumi.

You cant sell vacuum cleaners as Hoover unless you are Hoover, but you can run around calling vacuum cleaners Hoover all you like and advertise that brand.

That is what is protected.

Someone looking for Halloumi is getting Halloumi and not giving money to someone else who infringing on someone else trademark.

There are places you can go to here in Australia and literally choose between hundreds of different varieties of cheese. Smorgasbords. There are cheeses most of us have never tried and yet if we tried them we would be hooked.

Only the connoisseurs know about them.

A bit like the wine and beer industry down here. So many wineries and breweries. Some that are world famous too.

Australians buy Halloumi because they can grill it. But there is another Greek competitor - Saganaki. They like that too.

And there are probably others we don’t know about. The biggest problem we have is choice and it’s hard to keep ahead of it all.

[Paphitis]

There is a product here in Australia that I buy called Greek Yoghurt. It’s nice because it’s very thick and creamy. No flavouring and not runny.

It’s made in Australia as well, yet they call it Greek Yoghurt. Only because it’s made like Greek Style yoghurt.

But nothing Greek about it. They just call it such to describe the difference in taste and texture and it’s creamy thickness.

So if you want that style of yoghurt, everyone knows to buy “Greek Yoghurt”

Do they have to change that name too?

[Londonrake]

Yes! It needs to be “Brisbane” yoghurt.

And another thing. What’s this “Mick Dundee” shit? Scottish, my arse.