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[cypezokyli]

i am just listening to the news through logos channel.

a tc claims that he was hit by the gc police, and they then offered him money not to talk. lets not write the whole details...

EVGE ......EVGE....
kai eis anotera.

lets call it once again a "minor" incendent and go to bed with clear concience.

[Simon]

Amazing - every little chance you get to jump on the bandwagon against GCs you take it. If its vice versa, you are amazingly quiet. Do you hate GCs? Do you wish you was a TC?

[cypezokyli]

typical comment!!
dont you people have more original answers ?

birkibrisli got the same from eric dayi some time ago...

the similarities are amazing!!!!

does the incident worry you simon?
thats the question, which if i am not mistaken you didnot answer.
but its not that important is it?

[Simon]

Yes, of course it is wrong and should not happen. The officer should be punished if this is true in accordance with the rule of law. You will always get on-off incidents, this is inevitable.

But I am commenting on you, why do you try to constantly put GCs in such a negative light?

I somehow seriously think that if this incident was the other way round, you would have no way put it on here, would you???

[bg_turk]

but Birkibrisli would have put it

[Piratis]

a tc claims that he was hit by the gc police, and they then offered him money not to talk.

Would they offer money to a GC? Or when they realized he was a TC and he would use the issue for propaganda they offered him money?

Police brutality is wrong period. Not is a bit wrong when is against GCs and it is more wrong when it is against TCs.

[cypezokyli]

ok i have to admit i just had some wine ...and gin

the short answer sais: i am willing to apologise for the wrongdoings of my site and thats what i expect from tcs to do. I, should bring this matter up before a tc does, and apologise for that. I, should show the tcs that i dont agree with such attitudes, and try to convince them that that doesnot represent the whole gc society. the reality is that i am terrified with the latest actions of our side. what people do, what i read in the papers, what i read in this forum... i am afraid that we are in the path of nationalism, and you are not helping to change my view on the matter to be honest.

do you want to see the difference in attitude bw tcs und you?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4306

they could have commented, just like you, on who wrote sth instead of what is written.
instead, unlike you, they were ready to accept their own mistakes...at least when it comes to sth that it has to do with humans (in politics they are tougher i admit )
do you want me to tell you what the easy way out was : you are a gc and thats typicall gc propaganda. its just lies and why dont you see how you treat tcs in the south. an answer that i would expect. throw back at me our wrong doings instead of simply admiting theirs. instead, they did not.
while you firstly manage to only comment that I want to show the bad site of gcs.
with all the respect, if i compare the first response of you and some tc on the own wrong doings of both societies, i really see a chaotic difference.
they are willing to accept their mistakes - an attitude that can lead us forward
while you are shooting the messanger - an attitude still from the 60s.
enjoy the night

[Piratis]

I said that police brutality is always wrong. What else did you want to hear?

instead, unlike you, they were ready to accept their own mistakes

I have never heard any of them apologizing for the invasion, the occupation and the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots from their own homes. On the other hand we have never excused the actions of junta, the EOKA B or the crimes against TCs.

[Simon]

they are willing to accept their mistakes - an attitude that can lead us forward

And I didn't say:

Yes, of course it is wrong and should not happen. The officer should be punished if this is true in accordance with the rule of law.

[Rude Gal]

cypezokyli, you hit the nail right on the head. If every time we discuss a single issue or development, it has to be smothered with the past, we will never move on. And if we cannot grasp the link/significance of these ongoing negative actions, we will not stamp them out!

Whatever side it occurs in Cyprus, there is no room for racism (regardless of past suffering), physical/verbal abuse & threatening behaviour.

As for the mindset of some GCs and the problem of nationalism, if everywhere reinforces that these attitudes are OK, then it is hard to know you have a problem. Even when people become aware that what they think may not be right, where are role models to champion new attitudes?

Changing attitudes is a very hard job and ones this entrenched can seem to take a lifetime and still you feel you are not going there. Many GCs have beautiful spirits (like all of Gods children) and some are a lil misguided. A few are lost causes.

cypezokyli, you are just ahead of the game on South side (North reached tipping point with rise of Talat and fall of Denktash). Nationalism was out, reconcilliation is in (they may not always get it right, but that hand is well and truly extended). Means you have to reach the point of understanding what battles to pick, which to drop, and where to extend the hand for the greater good, even when you risk loosing face/getting a slap, cos you may also get a kiss and help spread peace/love/unity. Bravo!

Simon, I know you got the same vibe cos I felt it in your other writings. Maybe the topic just hit a nerve? We all got to learn to loosen up and not be sensitive about every comment. Look beyond and see the intention...

Even though the writings of Piratis and Eric Dayi can occassionally be infuriating, they [for me] also demonstrate they care passionately about Cyprus, which must come from good hearts and values? They just sometimes struggle to find a better way of reaching out...

So much for tonight's hippy post...

ps comments not intended as patronising. Who am i to judge?!