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[VEX8]

You know what strahd i realy hope everyone else in this forum reads your post and comes to the same conclusion about you that i have.

[bigfatlondonboy]

strahd...is it just me or are you not very fond of the english and blame them for all of the ills that Cyprus has...

[Strahd]

When I see such things that have nothing to do with reality I get really ungered...anyway it is not your fault that you know nothing about Cyprus. You know all you need to know. I am not fond of any imperealistic ideology... and the views that have been expressed in this forum from english men are usually of this flavour.

[Svetlana]

Dera Vex and BFLB

Sadly. there are many people who blame everybody but themselves in Cyprus; it is so much easier to point a finger than to admit that 'we might be at fault'. Because of this, 40 years on, we seem no nearer to resolution of CYProb.

" I blame it on <please fill in one or more options as approriate>:

the British
the US
Turkey
Greece
Turkish Cypriots
Greek Cypriots
the UN
the EU

in fact, anyone but me!

Lana

[VEX8]

Thank you darling. That was the jist of the point i was trying to make.

[Piratis]

Svetlana, VEX8 etc, what you have to understand is that Cyprus is our country. Yes we made mistakes and crimes and yes we have to pay for the mistakes that we made.

The problem though is that we also pay for the crimes of the others.

The Cypriots were under foreign rulers since forever. We were never given the chance to decide for our own future. The foreigners have been deciding for us, and yes they have a huge blame that unfortunately instead of them we pay.

If I was going to approximate blame, until 1974 it would be:

British: 50%
Americans: 15%
Greece :15%
Turkish Army: 15%
Greek Cypriots: 4%
Turkish Cypriots: 1%

From 1974 until today:

British: 20%
Americans: 20%
Greece: 0%
Turkish Army: 55%
Greek Cypriots: 1%
Turkish Cypriots: 4%

So the blame is not just to one but to many. Yet Cypriots, who have the least blame have to pay for everything.

Allow us to take the decisions in a democratic way for our own country, take away your troops and let us control our own country and then if what we will have is in any way worst than your own countries (Turkey, Greece, UK, USA etc) came and blame us.

[Svetlana]

Hi Piaratis

Well, you have just proved my point you (as a GC) only allocate 1% of the blame to GC, and thus 99% to others! So once again someone has pointed out that: 'it is everyone else's fault but mine!'.

You allocate 20% of the blame to Britain (post 1974) but no British people have a vote in Cyprus' democratic Government - so no influence there.
There have not been British trade embargos or military threat - so no financial influence either. Britain never tried to block Cyprus' entry to the EU - so no influence there.

It is Cypriots who run and control RoC - but share the same intransient attitudes as those north of the border. How will there be resolution until attitudes like this change? 'I am right, they are wrong'/'it's the other guys fault' is not taking the resolution process one step forward and never will.

You may not approve of the British bases - and I can understand that - but they are an irrelevance to the Peace Process.

The 'huge blame on foreigners' is in the past now; maybe they are responsible for where Cyprus is now - but the present and future of the country now rests almost solely in the hands of the RoC, those in the Occupied Zones and their decision makers across the water.

Lana

[Strahd]

You may not approve of the British bases - and I can understand that - but they are an irrelevance to the Peace Process.

I am afraid they are not because the current Status Quo of the Republic of Cyprus allows for these so called sovereign bases to exist. If a normal Cyprus state was to be these bases would be removed... Such a thing is a NO-NO for UK because of the strategic position that allows for the seamles launch of operations to the whole of middle east, either military or espionage.

[Piratis]

The blame of the British and Americans after 1974 is the support they give to Turkey. Turks are occupying Cyprus with Americans weapons (tanks etc), and the US/UK are their bigger sponsors. Without them they would not be able to continue the illegal occupation.

Why should I blame GCs for what happened after 1974? Should we also blame the French for the occupation of their country by the Nazis? (The Nazis had plenty of excuses also as you know).
Our country is under illegal occupation and you blame us??? Thats ridiculous!

After 1974 the ones who did and supported crimes in Cyprus were the Turks, the Americans and the British. Our 1% is because we didn't take advantage of some situations. But some mistakes from our side like that can not be equated by the crimes and illegalities that the Turks and their sponsors force in Cyprus.

[TheCabbie]

Now i know my opinion is going to ruffle a few feathers but is it possible that a little of the tension in Cyprus today may have something to do with the global opinion of Muslims in generall?
.

No.

Spend some time in the GC areas, then some time in the TC areas, sit in the coffee shops, eat in the tavernas, play tavlin and chat with the old guys and you'll realise that religion is the least important thing on people minds. If the religous "leaders" were in anyway worthy of the name they would have proposed and led some movements towards peace between the 2 sides... But the SOB's on both sides probably want the current situation to continue.

The Cyprus Problem is just that, a lot of them want to blame the UK/US and anybody else but really the situation has been caused by coniving Cypriot politicians leading small minded ignorant people and a few greedy bastards trying to get something for nothing.

It's a Balkan thing, don't worry about it Vex, just come over enjoy the weather, screw the women, drink the beer (Effes and/or Keo are great on a hot day) and have a good life.