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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:14 pm

miltiades wrote:You just said it : " certain types of debt"
The ONLY acceptable debt is a mortgage as well as a business acquisition. Borrowing to buy a car or a second home isnt a prudent deal. Borrowing to go on holiday, as people do, or expensive items in order to keep up with the Jonesess is a bad idea. Business debts are very different from personal debts where as a business will get tax relief on interest paid an individual will not.


I don’t borrow to buy a car. One is an outright purchase and the other car I have is owned by my company (one of my companies I should say) and is a tax write off. It’s considered a work vehicle.

My line of credits exist to buy houses, corner blocks, renovators and also to sometimes fund construction towards the end. So it’s used to acquire assets and finish building. Pay contractors, labourers, par for materials, fittings and final fit out.

I’ve never needed a car loan ever.

Oh btw, borrowing of any kind to buy a property is a friggin great thing to do for the average person as long as they have a job. They make capital gains and earn rent which covers the mortgage.
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby miltiades » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:14 pm

So you gave up ....flying :lol:
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:34 pm

miltiades wrote:So you gave up ....flying :lol:


No I have not. I’ve been doing this a side gig for years. And I make more doing that than flying.

Everything is taken care of for me like it is when your average Joe builds a house. This year I have been a lot more involved and am having fun doing it as well.

So it wouldn’t worry me so much now if I did give up flying. I have had a full career.
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Londonrake » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:51 pm

Jery wrote:Supporting Brexit was Johnson's route to achieving his lifelong ambition of residing in Downing Street. Had he and Cummings been in favour of remaining in the EU we would still be members - so much for democracy! The "Rule Britannia" fools have been mugged by Johnson, Cummings and the gutter press, we have jeopardised the future of the little industry we still possess; we will now see the erosion of the service industry we are so dependent on.


So, let me get this right.

After a 6 month campaign, during which all of the big guns were on the side of the remain vote. And Cameron/Osborne/Corbyn/Clegg + the likes of the sage Bank of England, CBI and IMF were warning that a leave vote would result in immediate Armageddon. 17,410,742 voted to leave.

In 2017, when 86% of the electorate voted for the 2 main parties that campaigned on a manifesto pledge to honour the result of the referendum.Vote

In 2019, during the EU MEP elections, the Brexit Party, which didn't exist just a few months before, got more seats than all of the other parties put together.

In the General Election of December 2019. On a ticket of "Let's get Brexit done", the Torys had their biggest win in over 30 years and Labour - who had adopted a sit on the fence (but basically remainer) position had their worst result in almost a century.

All of this was due to Boris Johnson? Wow - that's a Hell of a politician! Don't you think? :wink:

Listen (not that people like you ever do). You've lost - lots of times. Whilst it might make you feel better to blame the moronic voters (an arrogant asshole attitude which contributed to the result) or this/that politician, the truth is after 40 years people in the UK have had enough of the EU. They wanted out. Get it? If - as the usual remainer "democrat" - you have a problem with all of those results, perhaps you had better get yourself off to an EU country. Ohhh - wait a minute! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Kikapu » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:59 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
So the UK knew all along that it could not have a hard Brexit and funny enough, so did the EU, so Boris accepted the deal based on EU’s terms, which means that, the UK government will not be able to make laws which would tilt the level playing field to it’s advantage, as far as tariffs free goods going to the EU goes. Like it or not, the UK is very much still tied to the EU, but at a lesser advantages than while U.K. was a member of the EU. If the UK believed they had a very strong hand, they would have walked away from the EU with a hard Brexit a year ago and gone with the WTO tariffs based economy with the EU, to which the UK could have passed any kinds of laws they wanted. That would have been the true exit from the EU and a truly taking back their sovereignty. Sorry Paphitis, but the UK did not gain their independence from the EU, hence the fact there won’t be any Independence parade happening anytime soon. :wink:


The way I see it is Britain got pretty much everything it was asking for.

It has a free trade deal, and at the same time isn’t encumbered by EU Law, or courts.

It just needs to abide by certain fair play rules with regard to their free trade. But the EU has no avenues to force the UK to do anything. If it violates the level playing field, it’s free trade might be in jeopardy. It’s just a standard free trade agreement.

And the UK will be out of the EU at end of January.


The fact that Boris is only giving the parliament just a day or two to ratify Brexit, tells me it was intentional by Boris to delay the agreement with the EU just so to keep the British people in the dark before the deadline on December 31st. :wink:

In the meantime, confident EU which they feel they got most of what they wanted in the deal, have given the EU members until February to vote (rubber stamp) on the deal. :D
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Londonrake » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:12 am

Rage, rage, against the dying of the (Remainer) light! :D
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Kikapu » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:23 am

Londonrake wrote:Rage, rage, against the dying of the (Remainer) light! :D


So you do not care that Boris is not keeping his promise to the Brexiteers to leave the EU in what was expected of him. :roll:

Personally I am happy with the results of the deal. Those who won’t be happy once the details of the deal comes out after it is ratified by the parliament while the hard core Brexiteers are sleeping. They will get a rude awakening come January 1st. :wink:
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Londonrake » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:57 am

I “expect” Remainers to grasp any aspect of Brexit which perpetuates their seemingly endless griping of the past 54 months. Like latter-day Jacobites and frankly now about as relevant. “Democrats” to a man though, of course. :wink:

I’m curious. For somebody like yourself, if I’ve got it right. Fundamentally a TC, who’s seemingly spent a lot of his life in the States and now lives in Switzerland (non-EU). Why is Brexit such an issue for you? :?
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby Kikapu » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:21 pm

Londonrake wrote:I “expect” Remainers to grasp any aspect of Brexit which perpetuates their seemingly endless griping of the past 54 months. Like latter-day Jacobites and frankly now about as relevant. “Democrats” to a man though, of course. :wink:

I’m curious. For somebody like yourself, if I’ve got it right. Fundamentally a TC, who’s seemingly spent a lot of his life in the States and now lives in Switzerland (non-EU). Why is Brexit such an issue for you? :?

Correction:

I am fundamentally a Cypriot.... an EU member state.

I am also British growing up in London, an EU member state until December 31st.

Switzerland has bi-lateral treaties on single market and the 4 freedoms with the EU as a non-member, which is one of the reasons why/how I decided to be here. Fortunately for me, by UK existing the EU, my stay in Switzerland is still protected by at least 99% as a British Passport holder.
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Re: Countdown to British Independence Day

Postby erolz66 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:25 pm

The results of Brexit to date for me personally have all been entirely negative and I am yet to see any positive impact on me or my life or my wealth or my freedoms yet. Of course for some I am not allowed to speak this truth, my truth. If I do so I will be attacked as a 'moaner' and accused of being anti democratic. It is like not only did I lose the referendum vote but I lost all right to have any opinion on the issue ever again or any right to explain why I still think it was a mistake. It feels like some of the winners do not want my acceptance of the ref result, they actually want me to lie about the impacts of it on me to date for their benefit ?
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