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[Paphitis]

Pyro is a no brain boot head!

And he has a very strong sense of entitlement thinking that just because he paid or pays tax, that he is entitled to free health. Doesn’t work that way. Because that’s a one way street to bankruptcy for the State,

Now back to reality. All health systems are stretched. Doesn’t matter if you are in Cyprus, the UK, or Australia. Nurses work hard and are indeed short staffed. Yes there are horror stories wherever you look.

Try paying $6000 in insurance for health care for a start in a country that has Medicare. That’s fir a family of 4. Been paying insurance since 18. So I grew up believing and learning that it is a necessity.

So health care isn’t free, and that’s including countries with universal health safety nets which are designed to assist people on lower incomes not the middle class.

So you can whinge all you like but I consider those who pay insurance, myself included rather fortunate.

I had a surgery 2 months ago. Getting shot done before the US, where once again, I’m paying rather expensive health insurance under a US Corporate policy for workers. Over $8000 US mind you. Per year!

But my choice of state of the art private hospitals, my hand picked surgeon, who doesn’t work for the hospitals but is a private specialist practitioner. And no wait lists.

The state can’t wipe your bums!

The reality is this. Doctors in hospitals are generally the most inexperienced interns. First job out of university etc. The specialists work privately. And the good ones command a kings fee. Like literally 5k for a 15 minute surgery. That’s how it is.

Now if the RoC had to pay for that, then say hello to Zimbabwe!

[Paphitis]

If it came down to paying tax and entitlement, then that means the wealthy are entitled to sponge off the system.

The bigger the earner, the more tax. Not logical at all.

Thankfully, there is actually a great incentive for people who can afford the insurance premiums to insure themselves. Your choice of private hospital for a start. A private room. Better hospitals that have state of the art theatres. And your choice of specialist or surgeon.

It also frees up resources in the public system which is already stretched. So that people who can’t afford it, get treated. That is the purpose of universal health coverage.

[Paphitis]

When resources are stretched, they are also prone to failure. Failures occur, albeit quite rarely, but people will always mention the horror event, never all the good nurses and doctors do sometimes under tough conditions.

Now, just imagine a night shift at a busy ward. Where there are only 2 to 3 nurses attending up to 30 or more patients.

Now imagine a medical emergency. Only normal nurses aren’t going to attend a patient wanting to drink water or go to the toilet.

And got to cut them a bit of slack too if one of them dozes off in the wee hours of early morning. Not an easy job to job to do.

Anyway, that’s my 10 cents worth.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro is a no brain boot head!

And he has a very strong sense of entitlement thinking that just because he paid or pays tax, that he is entitled to free health. Doesn’t work that way. Because that’s a one way street to bankruptcy for the State,

Huh?? Where exactly did I say what you wrote? You have very poor undertanding of what others say, and then go on building your own fallacies. Boring... Fyi our GESY is not totally free, people pay an X% from their salaries, the employers supplement it by another X%, there are some cash payments per visit and per prescription, and the remaining cost is covered by the Gvnt.
What I actually implied is that every citizen should have the SAME rights.

Now back to reality. All health systems are stretched. Doesn’t matter if you are in Cyprus, the UK, or Australia. Nurses work hard and are indeed short staffed. Yes there are horror stories wherever you look.

Try paying $6000 in insurance for health care for a start in a country that has Medicare. That’s fir a family of 4. Been paying insurance since 18. So I grew up believing and learning that it is a necessity.

So health care isn’t free, and that’s including countries with universal health safety nets which are designed to assist people on lower incomes not the middle class.

So you can whinge all you like but I consider those who pay insurance, myself included rather fortunate.

I had a surgery 2 months ago. Getting shot done before the US, where once again, I’m paying rather expensive health insurance under a US Corporate policy for workers. Over $8000 US mind you. Per year!

But my choice of state of the art private hospitals, my hand picked surgeon, who doesn’t work for the hospitals but is a private specialist practitioner. And no wait lists.

The state can’t wipe your bums!

The reality is this. Doctors in hospitals are generally the most inexperienced interns. First job out of university etc. The specialists work privately. And the good ones command a kings fee. Like literally 5k for a 15 minute surgery. That’s how it is.

Now if the RoC had to pay for that, then say hello to Zimbabwe!

[Pyrpolizer]

Something that I wanted to point out that I consider a big discrimination against the GCs is this: After Denktash opened the gates of his prison, (around 2004), ALL the TCs living in the occupied were offered free access to the public hospitals in the free areas of RoC, because they were all considered to be of low income. They themselves thought they had the right of free medical care just like all citizens had in the 60s.
Yet the majority of the middle class GCs did not have such free access right.

Of course that was before GESY. It demonstrates how much we 've been exploited over the years, to eventually be the last country in Europe to have an NHS.

You really are one stupid individual. Clealry not all TCs were entited to free medical care. The rules regarding who is entitled to were applied to TCs exactly in the sm
ame way it was appplied to TCs. You cannt blame those that were earning such low wages that they were entitled to medical care. You are in the EU baby. You take the rough with the smooth.

ALL the TCs were entitled, because the RoC does not recognise income verification papers from the pseudo. You know nothing of the RoC's EU obligations to the TCs living in the occupied so better drop it. It was a gesture of good will, not an obligation.

About this time a friend of mine was recieving treatment in the south and was charged 600 pounds in sterling for each visit. She could clearly afford it.
I find this discussion a little childish. That some doctors are not as good as other or that treatment in one country is better than other etc is primary school stuff.

In the meantime I will tell you my own experience. My young son needed some grommets when he was 8 years old. He had been having this minor surgery for the previous 5 years. This particular year we went to hospital and met the same doctor we hav had for the previous years and to my surprise, he told us he was unable to do one at that point and that he would have to go onto the waiting list for 9 months. I tried t reason with him explaining to him that in 9 months time he would have no ear drum to put the grommet on, at which point he pulled he told me if I wanted to do it sooner he could do it in his private clinic the following week. I exploded at him caling him a greedy fuckin bastard and walked out. I then heard from my GP saying unfortunately she could not help me as I was so rude to the Doctor. I asked her to make me an appointment asap with the outpatient consultant. And so we met him and explained the situtiation to him. He picked up the phone and called the cunt to book a place for 6 weeks. The cunt tried to protest but he simply told him to book it now and put the phone on him. Naturally the appointment was booked.

There are good and bad doctors everywhere.
Who said anything different?? The discussion is about the public hospitals under GESY by which the patient has the right to choose his own doctor. This right is still deprived at our public hospitals because they got stuck to their old status. The transitional period is almost over and very few things have changed so far.

[Paphitis]

Pyro is a no brain boot head!

And he has a very strong sense of entitlement thinking that just because he paid or pays tax, that he is entitled to free health. Doesn’t work that way. Because that’s a one way street to bankruptcy for the State,

Huh?? Where exactly did I say what you wrote? You have very poor undertanding of what others say, and then go on building your own fallacies. Boring... Fyi our GESY is not totally free, people pay an X% from their salaries, the employers supplement it by another X%, there are some cash payments per visit and per prescription, and the remaining cost is covered by the Gvnt.
What I actually implied is that every citizen should have the SAME rights.

Now back to reality. All health systems are stretched. Doesn’t matter if you are in Cyprus, the UK, or Australia. Nurses work hard and are indeed short staffed. Yes there are horror stories wherever you look.

Try paying $6000 in insurance for health care for a start in a country that has Medicare. That’s fir a family of 4. Been paying insurance since 18. So I grew up believing and learning that it is a necessity.

So health care isn’t free, and that’s including countries with universal health safety nets which are designed to assist people on lower incomes not the middle class.

So you can whinge all you like but I consider those who pay insurance, myself included rather fortunate.

I had a surgery 2 months ago. Getting shot done before the US, where once again, I’m paying rather expensive health insurance under a US Corporate policy for workers. Over $8000 US mind you. Per year!

But my choice of state of the art private hospitals, my hand picked surgeon, who doesn’t work for the hospitals but is a private specialist practitioner. And no wait lists.

The state can’t wipe your bums!

The reality is this. Doctors in hospitals are generally the most inexperienced interns. First job out of university etc. The specialists work privately. And the good ones command a kings fee. Like literally 5k for a 15 minute surgery. That’s how it is.

Now if the RoC had to pay for that, then say hello to Zimbabwe!

Now you are getting it. Universal health cate isn’t free in any country.

You have to pay something.

Not only that but everyone pays an Medicare levy. I don’t know what levies are charged in the UK for the NHS. These charges are for all workers, both low and high income.

It’s just that the wealthy have to pay a higher levy. It’s a health tax.

You made the comment that by paying tax you should be entitled to something. Well in Australia, uninsured wealthy people are entitled but fortunately, about 50% of the population is insured. Meaning they can utilise the private system and unburden the public system. Invariable, the 50% are those who can afford it because it isn’t cheap. Either that or they are good with their money as discipline is required.

You should curb your sense of entitlement.

[Paphitis]

The entire private sector is a billion dollar industry now. Massive hospitals being built, famed for being among the best in the world. Basically it’s an outsourcing of health providers by the government alleviating them from a massive expense and funded by the 50% taking out insurance premiums like myself.

These hospitals are funded by the insurance companies and also major religion. Like the Catholic and Anglican churches who own many hospitals here at least.

Without it, health care would be a total disaster. The benefit is that the 50% insured are alleviating public resources so that the other 50% can use for their treatments through the public system.