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[erolz66]

Why should Turkey be bound by an international treaty it did not sign but the UK should not be bound by an international treaty it did sign ?

Do you define 'international law' to mean anything I support is legal, anything I do not is illegal under international law ? It certainly seems so from where I am sitting.

[Paphitis]

Why should Turkey be bound by an international treaty it did not sign but the UK should not be bound by an international treaty it did sign ?

Do you define 'international law' to mean anything I support is legal, anything I do not is illegal under international law ? It certainly seems so from where I am sitting.

Turkey is behaving like a rogue bully, performing piracy on the high seas.

A very dangerous and destabilising force that could create a war. That’s dangerous.

The UK does not threaten anyone or behave like a bully. And it is generally a stabilising middle power. The bully in this instance is the EU which thinks they have some power over the UK.

The 2 situations are not comparable.

The closest comparison I can think of from the top of my head are the trade tensions between Australia and Chy-na.

All it is, is a trade issue over the Northern Irish Border. And since NI is a sovereign possession of the UK, the EU should stop interfering in the UK. They can take the matter to court. But in the end, the UK can’t accept any borders within its borders.

[erolz66]

Do you define 'international law' to mean anything I support is legal, anything I do not is illegal under international law ?

Asked and answered.

[Paphitis]

Do you define 'international law' to mean anything I support is legal, anything I do not is illegal under international law ?

Asked and answered.

Well the EU has the ability to negotiate in a proper manner with the UK.

The backstop was forced in the UK with immense pressure. The UK doesn’t have to buckle over it’s own sovereign borders just like Greece maintains its rights under UNCLOS.

I support what is right. And it’s apparent to me that the UK is assertive itself over its own borders.

The British people have spoken. Now the UK is free to negotiate on equal terms. EU lost! The traitors lost. Time to move on.

The EU is no longer in a win win situation because if there is no agreement, the UK has made it clear it will BREXIT on WTO terms and in such a scenario, the EU/Brexit plan won’t even apply at all.

EU has 3 months. Clock is ticking.

[erolz66]

.... if there is no agreement, the UK has made it clear it will BREXIT on WTO terms and in such a scenario, the EU/Brexit plan won’t even apply at all.

The UK has made it clear that it is prepared and happy to exit without a deal if an agreement is not reached

is not the same thing as

if agreement is not reached The UK will repudiate its signature on a legally binding treaty the entire purpose of which was to define by agreement the parameters of what happens in such an event.

The first does not involve breaking international law. The second does.

[Paphitis]

.... if there is no agreement, the UK has made it clear it will BREXIT on WTO terms and in such a scenario, the EU/Brexit plan won’t even apply at all.

The UK has made it clear that it is prepared and happy to exit without a deal if an agreement is not reached

is not the same thing as

if agreement is not reached The UK will repudiate its signature on a legally binding treaty the entire purpose of which was to define by agreement the parameters of what happens in such an event.

The first does not involve breaking international law. The second does.

They are happy to BREXIT with no deal.

I am glad they will look at that agreement. It was rushed in the mayhem and shambles of the previous parliament.

UK has a new administration and doesn’t need to ratify anything.

I’m really sorry, but you can expect no favours from the UK Esoecially with Abbott now in charge, I would say the EU is in for one hell of a time.

If the EU create any issues, then the EU should expect very little leeway to play as Abbott will focus on new markets, such as India.

They won’t take any shit from Bananier. The other thing about Abbott is that he is extremely good friends with Trump and Shinzo Abe. So US and Japan will be other gimmes for the UK other than India and Australia. Add Canada and NZ, then the writing for the EU should be apparent.

EU, you’re fired! So good riddance and be on your way EU.

[Pyrpolizer]

They are happy to BREXIT with no deal.

Nobody denied them that right. The EU just tried to help them regarding the NI issue. The alternative was always clear: Hard border in NI.
If they finally break their agreement with the EU regarding NI, the EU will not even blink an eyelid. Hard border in NI will be.
And then-using a Cypriot proverb- tha tous pseisei to psari sta heili- The EU will make them eat fried fish cooked on their lips.

Bye bye UK, and good luck with your imaginary trade deals with India etc.

[Paphitis]

They are happy to BREXIT with no deal.

Nobody denied them that right. The EU just tried to help them regarding the NI issue. The alternative was always clear: Hard border in NI.
If they finally break their agreement with the EU regarding NI, the EU will not even blink an eyelid. Hard border in NI will be.
And then-using a Cypriot proverb- tha tous pseisei to psari sta heili- The EU will make them eat fried fish cooked on their lips.

Bye bye UK, and good luck with your imaginary trade deals with India etc.

The solution by the EU means a border between NI and the rest of the UK.

The UK can’t accept that. That’s like having a border within their country. Who would accept that.

What the EU has always been trying to do is punish the UK to send a clear message to the other 27 countries like Cyprus being one of the 27.

In the end, I think the UK is prepared for a hard BREXIT which serves neither the interests of the UK or EU. What would be ideal is a softish BREXIT where UK remains in the common market and is able to trade normally. A bit like Norway. I’m not sure but I think even Turkey is able to trade freely with EU much like Norway. At least for now as there is a big possibility there may be sanctions on Turkey very soon. I think Switzerland as well is able to trade freely. Not only this but Canada does as well and from what I read Australia isn’t far behind as its in the the advance states of finalising the same deal as Canada and so is the US.

If there is a FTD like Norway, the NI backstop isn’t even relevant.

I’m not against the EU. I just don’t like their bully tactics or the standover tactics of Germany. Who btw want to support Turkey. But on the other hand, I have a love affair with France right now. I’m hoping France steps up to assert its power projection in the Med as a rightful superpower. If France doesn’t, then it will be Turkey and no one wants that. Turkey is a total disaster.

Extreme caution is required when superpowers leave a big vacuum. That’s when wars start as other powers jostle for the ascendancy. That’s why we need France and France is in the EU and I love France.

France is a literal superpower. They are even in the Pacific. Not many people knows this but the Australian, NZ, US EEZ share borders with France and we are all collaborating to hem Chy-na in from the East and hoping Russia and India block them in the West.

I keep saying to people to be careful what they wish for because if the US withdraws and becomes insular, the gates to hell open making way for shit countries like Turkey and Chy-na.

So, in my opinion, the EU and UK should cut the nonsense and get a deal as soon as possible and just trade freely.

The biggest enemy to the EU is disunity. For instance, there are a few EU countries that have been actively very supportive of Turkey.

[Pyrpolizer]

What the EU has always been trying to do is punish the UK to send a clear message to the other 27 countries like Cyprus being one of the 27.

In the end, I think the UK is prepared for a hard BREXIT which serves neither the interests of the UK or EU. What would be ideal is a softish BREXIT where UK remains in the common market and is able to trade normally. A bit like Norway. I’m not sure but I think even Turkey is able to trade freely with EU much like Norway. At least for now as there is a big possibility there may be sanctions on Turkey very soon. I think Switzerland as well is able to trade freely. Not only this but Canada does as well and from what I read Australia isn’t far behind as its in the the advance states of finalising the same deal as Canada and so is the US.

If there is a FTD like Norway, the NI backstop isn’t even relevant.

Paphitis we 've been through this before and I am surprised you don't even know the basics.
I am not going to write a novel for you that you will forget a few days later, as to which of those countries pays in the EU budget, as to which is oblidged to abide to the EU aquis and the ECJ, or as to who is struggling for decades to get a free trade deal with the EU and got nothing so far, etc etc.

Get your facts straight before telling us that the EU is discriminating against the UK.

[Paphitis]

What the EU has always been trying to do is punish the UK to send a clear message to the other 27 countries like Cyprus being one of the 27.

In the end, I think the UK is prepared for a hard BREXIT which serves neither the interests of the UK or EU. What would be ideal is a softish BREXIT where UK remains in the common market and is able to trade normally. A bit like Norway. I’m not sure but I think even Turkey is able to trade freely with EU much like Norway. At least for now as there is a big possibility there may be sanctions on Turkey very soon. I think Switzerland as well is able to trade freely. Not only this but Canada does as well and from what I read Australia isn’t far behind as its in the the advance states of finalising the same deal as Canada and so is the US.

If there is a FTD like Norway, the NI backstop isn’t even relevant.

Paphitis we 've been through this before and I am surprised you don't even know the basics.
I am not going to write a novel for you that you will forget a few days later, as to which of those countries pays in the EU budget, as to which is oblidged to abide to the EU aquis and the ECJ, or as to who is struggling for decades to get a free trade deal with the EU and got nothing so far, etc etc.

Get your facts straight before telling us that the EU is discriminating against the UK.

Sorry but I don’t get your drift at all or understand what you are hinting at so I can only presume to think I l ow what you are talking about.

The UK had been a net contributor to the EU for years. I believe it was ranked 3rd highest.

Germany was first I think. Maybe France second.

Either way, the EU or countries in the EU (Germany) have no right to bully a country like UK. If they think they do to this day, then the UK is 100% correct in leaving the EU and because there has never been any good will or respect, the UK is perfectly justified to have a HARD BREXIT with no FTD at all. It doesn’t need it. All the EU markets can be replaced by 2 countries alone.