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[Paphitis]

This stuff is the domain of North Korea, Russia and Assad. Not America.

There can't be any cheating in NK because there's only one candidate!

Anyway, I think you need to remove your rose tinted glasses because cheating at elections is quite common in the US and elsewhere.

But who would have thought that in the US you have these kind of shenanigans.

In Australia, when we have elections, the counting doesn't start until all the scrutineers are present. All big parties are there looking over the shoulders of the counters. and every now and then they dispute particular ballots because they may be incorrectly marked or the paperwork isn't correct. It's fundamental to keeping the elections transparent.

In the US, the GOP party is claiming that they were forbidden from entering the building in PA. That is shocking.

[Paphitis]

Who is to say that the Republicans did not mail in illegal ballots belonging to dead people, fake signatures, plant fake ballots and so on. Don’t buy into a liar like Trump. If there are some illegal ballots, the only reason why you know there were some illegal ballots is because they must have been removed before being counted. There are always bad ballots, but it has never been a factor to make a difference to the final count. A legal challenge can be made if the votes are within 1% or less, depending on the state. Trump tried to stop the mail-in voting after his supporters voted by walk in, which is why he had a big lead at the closing of the election on the 3rd, which is when he declared to have won and tried to stop the count. What a cunt!

Fine then! Have the investigation and get to the bottom of it all.

No one is against legal court challenges. But don’t expect the courts to accept all challenges without proof. Trumps problem is, he wanted the counting to continue in the states where he was losing on the day of the election and for the count to stop in the states he was leading. The courts are not going to help him overturn the election and give it to him if he loses, not even the US Supreme Court which is what he is counting on and had been counting on for months. It’s not going to happen.

Oh they can have a redo especially if it is proven that some ballots just appeared after the deadline and time stamped the day before.

Even the allegation that GOP scrutineers were not allowed in as observers is VERY serious.

Sorry Kikapu, but I think Trump could be right. Something very fishy going on here.

Sorry Paphitis but forget about any redo election, especially when there are no supportive evidence of wide spread frauds anywhere. It is only a claim by Trump because he cannot accept losing. That is his personal problem to deal with. If any results are challenged legally and all the votes are re-examined and if found to have some illegitimate ballots, then they will be removed and the count adjusted. In the end, it will not make any difference unless the vote difference is in the low hundreds and not in thousands.

If dead people voted, it would be easily found out Kikapu.

Also, if the GOP was forbidden from scrutineer, then that is also solid evidence, Either they were present, or they were not.

I can't accept losing under such circumstances either. The American people got cheated at large if there is any veracity to this. Hence why an investigation is necessary.

If foul play is proven, then I'm afraid Trump is well within his rights. Either there will be a redo, or the college is dismissed and each state is allocated 1 vote in which case Trump gets elected, or the Senate votes for the POTUS and the GOP has the numbers to again elect Trump.

[Kikapu]

If foul play is proven, then I'm afraid Trump is well within his rights. Either there will be a redo, or the college is dismissed and each state is allocated 1 vote in which case Trump gets elected, or the Senate votes for the POTUS and the GOP has the numbers to again elect Trump.

Say what?

Listen, if there are isolated irregularities as there are in every election, then you deal with that issue directly. You do not throw the bath water out with the baby. Biden is ahead by about 4 million popular vote. Just how many dead people “voted”, if any? Making general claims without specific evidence of fraud is just sour grapes from a losing president should he lose. He hasn’t lost yet, but this was his plan all along. To cause problem should he lose the election. He told us in advance. He doesn’t take losing well. He told us in advance. He cheats, lies blackmails and steals, which has been his whole life, so don’t expect for him to change now.

[Kikapu]

This stuff is the domain of North Korea, Russia and Assad. Not America.

There can't be any cheating in NK because there's only one candidate!

Anyway, I think you need to remove your rose tinted glasses because cheating at elections is quite common in the US and elsewhere.

But who would have thought that in the US you have these kind of shenanigans.

In Australia, when we have elections, the counting doesn't start until all the scrutineers are present. All big parties are there looking over the shoulders of the counters. and every now and then they dispute particular ballots because they may be incorrectly marked or the paperwork isn't correct. It's fundamental to keeping the elections transparent.

In the US, the GOP party is claiming that they were forbidden from entering the building in PA. That is shocking.

Let’s say for the sake of argument the GOP’s claim is true and Biden wins without Pennsylvania, which he can, then what? Do you still think there should be a complete do over?

[Paphitis]

This stuff is the domain of North Korea, Russia and Assad. Not America.

There can't be any cheating in NK because there's only one candidate!

Anyway, I think you need to remove your rose tinted glasses because cheating at elections is quite common in the US and elsewhere.

But who would have thought that in the US you have these kind of shenanigans.

In Australia, when we have elections, the counting doesn't start until all the scrutineers are present. All big parties are there looking over the shoulders of the counters. and every now and then they dispute particular ballots because they may be incorrectly marked or the paperwork isn't correct. It's fundamental to keeping the elections transparent.

In the US, the GOP party is claiming that they were forbidden from entering the building in PA. That is shocking.

Let’s say for the sake of argument the GOP’s claim is true and Biden wins without Pennsylvania, which he can, then what? Do you still think there should be a complete do over?

Not just PA. 3062 fraudulent votes were found in the state of Nevada.

There are accusations that thousands of ballots were accepted after the deadline.

The investigation should be across the board - or at least in all battleground states where the vote was close.

[Paphitis]

If foul play is proven, then I'm afraid Trump is well within his rights. Either there will be a redo, or the college is dismissed and each state is allocated 1 vote in which case Trump gets elected, or the Senate votes for the POTUS and the GOP has the numbers to again elect Trump.

Say what?

Listen, if there are isolated irregularities as there are in every election, then you deal with that issue directly. You do not throw the bath water out with the baby. Biden is ahead by about 4 million popular vote. Just how many dead people “voted”, if any? Making general claims without specific evidence of fraud is just sour grapes from a losing president should he lose. He hasn’t lost yet, but this was his plan all along. To cause problem should he lose the election. He told us in advance. He doesn’t take losing well. He told us in advance. He cheats, lies blackmails and steals, which has been his whole life, so don’t expect for him to change now.

Yes we do! If scrutineers were not allowed in, then the vote is invalid. Period!

[miltiades]

Definition of stupidity as per Albert Einstein.
Repeating the dame bullshit knowing that they are just BULLSHIT.
Goodbye POUTOS, stupid bastard

[Kikapu]

If foul play is proven, then I'm afraid Trump is well within his rights. Either there will be a redo, or the college is dismissed and each state is allocated 1 vote in which case Trump gets elected, or the Senate votes for the POTUS and the GOP has the numbers to again elect Trump.

Say what?

Listen, if there are isolated irregularities as there are in every election, then you deal with that issue directly. You do not throw the bath water out with the baby. Biden is ahead by about 4 million popular vote. Just how many dead people “voted”, if any? Making general claims without specific evidence of fraud is just sour grapes from a losing president should he lose. He hasn’t lost yet, but this was his plan all along. To cause problem should he lose the election. He told us in advance. He doesn’t take losing well. He told us in advance. He cheats, lies blackmails and steals, which has been his whole life, so don’t expect for him to change now.

Yes we do! If scrutineers were not allowed in, then the vote is invalid. Period!

No it does not. The best you can hope for is to examine every ballot for any discrepancies and then reissue the new count to see if it makes a difference of the original count, that’s all.

OK, Biden has just now took the lead in Pennsylvania with about 150,000 ballots left to count. Best estimation is that Biden will have about 80,000-100,000 more votes than Trump. Game over for now by all indications.

[Paphitis]

If foul play is proven, then I'm afraid Trump is well within his rights. Either there will be a redo, or the college is dismissed and each state is allocated 1 vote in which case Trump gets elected, or the Senate votes for the POTUS and the GOP has the numbers to again elect Trump.

Say what?

Listen, if there are isolated irregularities as there are in every election, then you deal with that issue directly. You do not throw the bath water out with the baby. Biden is ahead by about 4 million popular vote. Just how many dead people “voted”, if any? Making general claims without specific evidence of fraud is just sour grapes from a losing president should he lose. He hasn’t lost yet, but this was his plan all along. To cause problem should he lose the election. He told us in advance. He doesn’t take losing well. He told us in advance. He cheats, lies blackmails and steals, which has been his whole life, so don’t expect for him to change now.

Yes we do! If scrutineers were not allowed in, then the vote is invalid. Period!

No it does not. The best you can hope for is to examine every ballot for any discrepancies and then reissue the new count to see if it makes a difference of the original count, that’s all.

OK, Biden has just now took the lead in Pennsylvania with about 150,000 ballots left to count. Best estimation is that Biden will have about 80,000-100,000 more votes than Trump. Game over for now by all indications.

No it isn't over until this is addressed in the Federal Courts.

When the judge say's it's over, it's over.

[Kikapu]

If foul play is proven, then I'm afraid Trump is well within his rights. Either there will be a redo, or the college is dismissed and each state is allocated 1 vote in which case Trump gets elected, or the Senate votes for the POTUS and the GOP has the numbers to again elect Trump.

Say what?

Listen, if there are isolated irregularities as there are in every election, then you deal with that issue directly. You do not throw the bath water out with the baby. Biden is ahead by about 4 million popular vote. Just how many dead people “voted”, if any? Making general claims without specific evidence of fraud is just sour grapes from a losing president should he lose. He hasn’t lost yet, but this was his plan all along. To cause problem should he lose the election. He told us in advance. He doesn’t take losing well. He told us in advance. He cheats, lies blackmails and steals, which has been his whole life, so don’t expect for him to change now.

Yes we do! If scrutineers were not allowed in, then the vote is invalid. Period!

No it does not. The best you can hope for is to examine every ballot for any discrepancies and then reissue the new count to see if it makes a difference of the original count, that’s all.

OK, Biden has just now took the lead in Pennsylvania with about 150,000 ballots left to count. Best estimation is that Biden will have about 80,000-100,000 more votes than Trump. Game over for now by all indications.

No it isn't over until this is addressed in the Federal Courts.

When the judge say's it's over, it's over.

The courts are not going to overturn an election voted by the people. This isn’t Turkey.

They can only address specific issues if proof can be provided of irregularities and look at the ballots if needed and do a re-count. Should the re-count go in favour of Trump, then that state would go to Trump. It has nothing to do with other states. At the moment Biden could end up with over 300 electoral votes. The courts cannot change that directly, but just look at the cast ballots.