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[Lordo]

Shiiiiiiit maaiiiiiiin I can smell something who farted? Fes up.

[Lordo]

Pelosi blames Biden for the loss but she ignores her part in the loss.

As of January 2021, 11.6 percent of the US population, or 37.9 million people, were living in poverty. Additionally, 5.3% of the population, or 17.3 million people, live in deep poverty, with incomes below 50% of their poverty thresholds. The poverty rate in the United States has not improved significantly in half a century

How the fuck is this possible when Clinton had two terms, Obama had two terms before him and Carter had one term before him. Clearly being the corporate world's bitch has a price. Trump will fuck them up even more but there is no choice. All they will get is another stint with the Democrats with no change.

Of course Trump will also plunge the Middle East into total chaos by attacking Iran.

[Zenon33]

The idea that the Yanks have voted for change would be laughable if it was not so serious.

What change exactly?
What has changed?

The policy of American government foreign or otherwise has not changed for decades going back to the Second World War.

Harris could not bling herself to mention the Working Class or the 60 million people who live below poverty line with no healthcare. Consequently Biden's 81 million votes dropped to 67 million. Even Trump got 2 million votes less than last time when he lost.

Long live Western Democracy. The best electoral system money can buy.

Turkey is a western democracy or a "democracy" with a dictator like Venezuela or Hungary?.

[Lordo]

Erdogan does not believe in democracy. If you are Muslim, you can't have democracy is what he said.

He actually ask a question back in the 1990s. What is democracy he asked? Is it an aim? or is it a vehicle? Our aim can never be democracy.

https://www.facebook.com/TurkiyeNoktaNet/videos/462297760638096

[repulsewarrior]

Erdogan does not believe in democracy. If you are Muslim, you can't have democracy is what he said.

He actually ask a question back in the 1990s. What is democracy he asked? Is it an aim? or is it a vehicle? Our aim can never be democracy.

https://www.facebook.com/TurkiyeNoktaNet/videos/462297760638096

...well said Lordo, worth repeating, (and remembering).

[Lordo]

In reality Turkey has not been a democracy since she joined Nato. That was the end of Democracy in Turkey. Just like the rest of the Europeans the objective was to keep Socialism out of Europe and they succeeded to this day. The electoral system used serves American interests and anybody who does not support it either is stopped winning or killed.

[Lordo]

The idea that the Yanks have voted for change would be laughable if it was not so serious.

What change exactly?
What has changed?

The policy of American government foreign or otherwise has not changed for decades going back to the Second World War.

Harris could not bling herself to mention the Working Class or the 60 million people who live below poverty line with no healthcare. Consequently Biden's 81 million votes dropped to 67 million. Even Trump got 2 million votes less than last time when he lost.

Long live Western Democracy. The best electoral system money can buy.

Turkey is a western democracy or a "democracy" with a dictator like Venezuela or Hungary?.

I do not much follow what happens in Hungary but I do follow what happens in Venezuela. Socialist there seem to be able to overcome all the obstacles America puts in front of them and still win elections. America would love to put a puppet regime there so they can steal all the resources. Bastards. Thankfully so far they have not been able to.

[repulsewarrior]

...how can you not like this guy.

Indeed the polity of the US is corrupted; it is a matter of education, it cannot be Ignored and it is a matter of balance.

...(where is an Aristotle when you need one?)

[cyprusgrump]

Pelosi blames Biden for the loss but she ignores her part in the loss.

As of January 2021, 11.6 percent of the US population, or 37.9 million people, were living in poverty. Additionally, 5.3% of the population, or 17.3 million people, live in deep poverty, with incomes below 50% of their poverty thresholds. The poverty rate in the United States has not improved significantly in half a century

How the fuck is this possible when Clinton had two terms, Obama had two terms before him and Carter had one term before him. Clearly being the corporate world's bitch has a price. Trump will fuck them up even more but there is no choice. All they will get is another stint with the Democrats with no change.

Of course Trump will also plunge the Middle East into total chaos by attacking Iran.

Funny enough, I've just read an interesting article about poverty in 'Merica... Needless to say, Bordo is hopelessly wrong in his claims as he seems to be on just about every subject...

The United States is more unequal that most other rich nations - true. The United States has more poverty than other rich nations - not true.

Now this is something I’ve talked about before. In fact, have been moaning about for near 15 years now. US poverty statistics are compiled differently, to a different standard, than they are anywhere else. This means that anyone who starts shouting about the US poverty rate might have a point. Anyone who starts shouting about the US poverty rate compared to that of the UK, or Sweden, or France, does not. Not unless they do an awful lot of correction - which near no one does, Tim Smeeding at LIS being an honourable exception - to either set of figures before they shriek about them.

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So, this is in Washington DC - other states will have slightly different results. From the time of calculation this is a single mother (well, could be single father, but) on minimum wage on about half-time hours. Something like that. It’s not full time work. The other income there, $65k, is about median US household income. Again, not accurately, but of that sort of order.

The two household incomes work out to be the same - $75k. That’s why these numbers are chosen of course.

Of all of that public assistance only one of those numbers is included in the income of that poorer household - TANF. All of the rest is ignored in any calculation of the official poverty level or rate. And, TANF is the only part of welfare that is included in any calculation of US inequality - the Gini Index say.

Now, true, some of that welfare would not be included in a UK measure of poverty - the NHS is free health care for all, education or preschool is also not included. But the things like the EITC (our working tax credits) and the CTC (child tax credits/child benefit), Snap (because we just pay higher benefits to cover food costs) and so on are all included in the numbers we then calculate poverty and inequality from.

As I’ve said before the US poverty numbers are - largely - those who would be in poverty before government help, European are those still in poverty after government help. The usual inequality numbers - Gini Index - are those before government aid to the poor inequality for the US and after government aid to the poor inequality in Europe.

And, if we’re honest about it, getting on for $80k a year in Washington DC is not, in fact, poverty. But that’s how it’s defined if that $80k is coming mostly in welfare. And, if we want to strip out the healthcare and education $50k still isn’t a bad whack. Even after adjusting for prices and so on that’s still well within the top 10% of all humanity. Which isn’t, not really, poverty now, is it?

The US doesn’t really have much poverty because it has a large welfare system which gives stuff to people who would be poor without that welfare. And the measurements of inequality are done before the effect of that welfare is taken into account. #

Don’t, ever, trust folk who try to tell you different.

[Lordo]

Now this is interesting

The U.S. poverty level is now $13,590 for individuals and $23,030

The average rent for a one-bedroom apartment in the US is $1,713 month

Shit man even on the street do not count as living in poverty. I guess they don/t really understand poverty/ Mind you nope to the SwineCunts here.