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[Paphitis]

Max the point remains. In the US or even in the UK compared to say labour under Blair, the simple reality is that Ardern's NZ labour party is way further 'left' that the 'left' in these countries. The idea that there is some kind of global rejection of left wing parties because they have become so radical is serioulsy undermined by the example of NZ. I have little doubt there are other places that also undermine such a theory as well, I just happen to know a bit about NZ politics.

No it isn't.

left yes, but quite reasonable. You can't compare Adern to Corbynista, or Shortfused.

Adern tried to have a crack at Morrison, but she got slapped out and has been behaving herself ever since.

She once compared Morrison and trump, and when a Kiwi Journalist asked Morrison about it, he laughed and said Adern should have not exceed her authority into Australian politics and she should also understand that Australia doesn't care what NZ say's and he walked off.

It was the most funniest slap down.

Before the Australian Elections she also tried to get involved and the Aussie Government warned NZ then that if it continues to interfere, there will be repercussions for Australian NZ relations, including ANZUS.

Today, she has regular meetings with Morrison and the 2 seem like friends.

[Paphitis]

Adern hasn't actually gone down the radical path unlike what is happening elsewhere.

As so often you are just talking total bollocks again. Adren's labour party is one of the most progressive in NZ history and is considerably more radical left than a Biden / Democrat ticket in the US is. Still no point in letting reality get in the way of your 'theory'.

My theory is valid, and you should know that especially with regard to the last elections in the UK where the Tories won over 80 labor seats, many of which were strong tradition labor.

This very phenomena isn't unique to the UK. It happened in Australia, and the US. And it has happened in many other countries of Europe as well.

When the left goes all stupid and abandons core issues like Industrial Relations, jobs, job security, cost of living, health and education, then they lose traditional base voters.

The party that keeps repeating the above mantras will get the votes. It's as simple as that.

Adern, hasn't lost focus on the important issues like the Democrats and Labor have in the UK, Australia and UK.

[Paphitis]

Adern hasn't actually gone down the radical path unlike what is happening elsewhere.

As so often you are just talking total bollocks again. Adren's labour party is one of the most progressive in NZ history and is considerably more radical left than a Biden / Democrat ticket in the US is. Still no point in letting reality get in the way of your 'theory'.

referring to the radical left as Progressive is a misnomer.

its like Antifa naming their organization from an amalgamation of the words anti-fascist when they are fascists.

its like calling yourself a democrat but exhibit an intolerance to other peoples rights.

Or naming your alliance, the friends of Syria, while bombing the place and supporting terrorist groups.

These are asymmetric decoys, expecting that most people wont observes your contents and actions, but just believes what you say it does on the tin.

They should stop this identity politics because the voting public are not interested in this stuff and they certainly don't give a stuff about Antifa and other radical loonies. the only progress the worker wants is in Industrial relations, wages, job security, and cost of living.

You know, the read and butter stuff the left has pivoted away from.

In Australia, we have 3 labor premiers who have shut their borders. The only one that is possibly justified for now is Viktoria. Quite understandable really that states want to shut their border with Viktoria until they get their act together. But Queensland and WA have closed their borders and have no COVID. Go figure. So why? because they have elections coming up. And both these states are going to flip as a result.

Viktoria will also flip - that would be a crushing landslide.

And all this playing into Morrison's hands as well, as all he has to do is threaten intervention like what Trump does, using the Australian Constitution that protects things like freedom of movement.

[repulsewarrior]

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[repulsewarrior]

...describing the economy; bad news with a "K".

[repulsewarrior]

...polls show this election is Biden's to win, yet Congress is hard to predict.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=irpromo

[Londonrake]

...polls show this election is Biden's to win, yet Congress is hard to predict.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=irpromo

A few days ago when Biden was asked about getting veterans back to work in civilian life he replied in what seems to have become pretty common terms for him "if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin’ a, you know, department store, uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?" The man regularly comes across as a gibberish speaking idiot in the early stages of dementia and the one-on-one debates haven't even started yet.

What on earth were the Democrats thinking when they voted for him to be their Presidential candidate?

[Kikapu]

...polls show this election is Biden's to win, yet Congress is hard to predict.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=irpromo

A few days ago when Biden was asked about getting veterans back to work in civilian life he replied in what seems to have become pretty common terms for him "if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin’ a, you know, department store, uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?" The man regularly comes across as a gibberish speaking idiot in the early stages of dementia and the one-on-one debates haven't even started yet.

What on earth were the Democrats thinking when they voted for him to be their Presidential candidate?

I think the idea is for Binde to get elected as president and then soon after turn over the presidency to Kamala Harris by resigning due to health issues. I think it will work. It is time to get some young blood in the White House.

[Maximus]

I don't think he will just step aside if he gets elected and let someone else be president.

If this is the idea, (Who's?) It is implied that Biden is the strongest democrat candidate, and all others are less likely to win.

Therefore the " young blood" will be a shit president anyway.

I don't think it will work, its a pretty shit strategy. Biden might have mental health issues and if he is the best chance for the democrats to win. God help america.

[Paphitis]

...polls show this election is Biden's to win, yet Congress is hard to predict.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=irpromo

A few days ago when Biden was asked about getting veterans back to work in civilian life he replied in what seems to have become pretty common terms for him "if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell take care runnin’ a, you know, department store, uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever, you know what I mean?" The man regularly comes across as a gibberish speaking idiot in the early stages of dementia and the one-on-one debates haven't even started yet.

What on earth were the Democrats thinking when they voted for him to be their Presidential candidate?

My only guess is that the Democrats have actually given up on the 2020 elections.