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[Paphitis]

Even if half of what you say was true, Trump would still be the president today, no?

It is true and do not forget for a second that his base is extremely strong with 80,000,000 votes. If Biden disappoints which I’m almost certain he will and isn’t off to a good start, you can add another 10 million democrat voters in the Trump/GOP column.

So no, he has all of you worried and biting your nails. Hence why you want to impeach him in a massive miscarriage of procedure.

Trump does not have 80m base. His criminal base were at the Capitol. The rest are Conservatives and I doubt many of them want Trump back or if the Republican Party will even survive after this impeachment. I can see few more Red States turning Blue as a result of Trump not being convicted and more Republican senators and representatives lose their seats from now to 2024 because the voters will be reminded over and over again how close they came to lose the Republic under Trump of the Capitol siege by his criminals. This is going to drive millions more Americans to vote for Democrats for saving the Union. The Banana Republican Party will be known as the supporter of the insurrectionist Trump. Bad move.

Trump said “remember this date forever”. Yes, the Americans will.

Trump is no Messiah or a Prophet. He is just a another Dictator wannabe.

The people at Capitol Hil were fewer than a thousand. That isn’t his base.

His base are normal people who voted for him for a better America and a brighter future in issues that actually hold traction such as Law and Order, Employment, Cost of Living and taxation.

Law abiding people and hard working people. Some people who are also impoverished or out of work. That’s his base.

I know many Americans of Greek and Cypriot background who couldn’t in all consciousness vote anything other than Trump on account of them being devout Orthodox. So if Trump attracts this demographic he attracts other Christians too who would vote for him purely for the fact they believe a vote for Biden is a vote for the Devil on account of the Abortion issue alone.

All well meaning people.

You can slander and clasp at straws all you like. But soon the impeachment will be stopped dead in its tracks.

Well, on “Law & Order”, that is one stroke against Trump already as he has defied Law & Order and now has blood on his hands in what he incited at the Capitol.

Abortion is the Law of the Land. Democratic Party is not for abortion, but rather, for Pro Choice. There is a difference.

The impeachment has served it’s purpose and a conviction is not needed at the senate to have justice, because the jury for conviction of Trump is the senate of 100 members, but the real jury the case is being put to, is to the jury of 330 million Americans.

For one, the constitutionality of whether a President who is no longer in office can be tried or not has been one more time has been confirmed, which is a big “YES”, and doing so, Trump has been shown to the world what cunt he really has been and historians and history will judge him very harshly and very deservedly. No president has ever been convicted who has been impeached, but history is not looking well on their side.

Trump has been impeached twice with blood on his hands. History will condemn him the most of all other impeached presidents. Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon now look like choirboys in comparison.

The 330 million can see it is fraud. And when senators come forth one by one and say that they can’t be a party to this kangaroo court, the victory will be Trump’s.

Because Trump had not defied any laws or had any involvement with Capitol Hill.

There were 30,000 peaceful protestors that day and fewer than 1000 descended into lawlessness.

The Democrats do not have the credibility Trump has had when it comes to law and order or the credibility on real issues affecting the people.

And with regards to pro choice. A Pedophile can’t help themselves when they molest a child. It’s pro choice you say. Again harming a child just like abortion harms, no murders an unborn child.

This is why there are probably millions of Christians in America, many of them Orthodox too, of which some are Greek and Cypriots, who believe voting for Biden is voting for the devil because of it. Everyone is entitled to cast their vote how they see fit and if some people have such Christian convictions that lead them to vote Trump because he is anti late term abortion and more in line with Christian values then so be it.

But why stop at Christians. There are many devout Muslims in America who have the same beliefs and as a result, voted for Trump.

But why stop with Christians and Muslims? There are 25 million Jews in America who probably did the same thing.

We are talking about people who fast and prey every day. I can’t knock them whether they are Christians, Jews or Muslims and feel the way they do. But hardly criminals. Just very pious and that is Trump’s base. Not to mention the poor and deplorables.

Some racist huh!

The damage will be done when reality sets in for the populace and they realise once again they have an ineffective Obama retread dud POTUS. The only way any damage comes to Trump is if Biden somehow proves not to be a dud for once on issues that actually affect 99% of people, not on issues where some guys want to chop their Willy off or wear a skirt or if someone wants to self identify as a monkey or a spoon. Mental illness is a much bigger pandemic I’m afraid.

[Londonrake]

I always regarded Trump as a temporary aberration. I was right. What surprised me throughout his term though was the enormous fuss the man attracted. Every faux pas/gaffe/idiotic remark scathingly and repeatedly (ad nauseam sometimes) commented upon. Every Tweet attracting reams of satirical contempt. Literally thousands of Trump posts on social media sites. It’s struck me, given the man’s actual sins, as having been an astonishing display of mass hysteria. Perhaps epitomised in a small way above by your “blood on his hands”.

Across the world our old friend Vladimir sits smiling from behind his Kremlin desk, having precipitated the violent death of over 10000 Ukrainians, linked to Russia’s Crimean intervention. In China, under Xi Jinping, who like Putin is another tyrant that’s changed his country’s constitution enabling him to be leader for life (aka a dictator) there’s credible evidence of genocidal actions, both cultural and physical, against the Chinese Muslim minority. Moreover, people in China are still being executed, in some cases for what we in the West would regard as trivial offenses, at the rate of nearly 2500 a year - if you believe the CCP’s figures that is.

There’s much more bloodshed and suffering of course, under umpteen despotic regimes around the globe. But, beyond perhaps a passing “Yes, terrible situation but what can we do?” (When the useful idiots aren’t actually supporting it that is) barely a murmur. Yet, with mouth-frothing condemnation, social media en masse seems to convulse daily over Trump having “blood on his hands”. What a strange phenomena.

[Kikapu]

Even if half of what you say was true, Trump would still be the president today, no?

It is true and do not forget for a second that his base is extremely strong with 80,000,000 votes. If Biden disappoints which I’m almost certain he will and isn’t off to a good start, you can add another 10 million democrat voters in the Trump/GOP column.

So no, he has all of you worried and biting your nails. Hence why you want to impeach him in a massive miscarriage of procedure.

Trump does not have 80m base. His criminal base were at the Capitol. The rest are Conservatives and I doubt many of them want Trump back or if the Republican Party will even survive after this impeachment. I can see few more Red States turning Blue as a result of Trump not being convicted and more Republican senators and representatives lose their seats from now to 2024 because the voters will be reminded over and over again how close they came to lose the Republic under Trump of the Capitol siege by his criminals. This is going to drive millions more Americans to vote for Democrats for saving the Union. The Banana Republican Party will be known as the supporter of the insurrectionist Trump. Bad move.

Trump said “remember this date forever”. Yes, the Americans will.

Trump is no Messiah or a Prophet. He is just a another Dictator wannabe.

The people at Capitol Hil were fewer than a thousand. That isn’t his base.

His base are normal people who voted for him for a better America and a brighter future in issues that actually hold traction such as Law and Order, Employment, Cost of Living and taxation.

Law abiding people and hard working people. Some people who are also impoverished or out of work. That’s his base.

I know many Americans of Greek and Cypriot background who couldn’t in all consciousness vote anything other than Trump on account of them being devout Orthodox. So if Trump attracts this demographic he attracts other Christians too who would vote for him purely for the fact they believe a vote for Biden is a vote for the Devil on account of the Abortion issue alone.

All well meaning people.

You can slander and clasp at straws all you like. But soon the impeachment will be stopped dead in its tracks.

Well, on “Law & Order”, that is one stroke against Trump already as he has defied Law & Order and now has blood on his hands in what he incited at the Capitol.

Abortion is the Law of the Land. Democratic Party is not for abortion, but rather, for Pro Choice. There is a difference.

The impeachment has served it’s purpose and a conviction is not needed at the senate to have justice, because the jury for conviction of Trump is the senate of 100 members, but the real jury the case is being put to, is to the jury of 330 million Americans.

For one, the constitutionality of whether a President who is no longer in office can be tried or not has been one more time has been confirmed, which is a big “YES”, and doing so, Trump has been shown to the world what cunt he really has been and historians and history will judge him very harshly and very deservedly. No president has ever been convicted who has been impeached, but history is not looking well on their side.

Trump has been impeached twice with blood on his hands. History will condemn him the most of all other impeached presidents. Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon now look like choirboys in comparison.

The 330 million can see it is fraud. And when senators come forth one by one and say that they can’t be a party to this kangaroo court, the victory will be Trump’s.

Because Trump had not defied any laws or had any involvement with Capitol Hill.

There were 30,000 peaceful protestors that day and fewer than 1000 descended into lawlessness.

The Democrats do not have the credibility Trump has had when it comes to law and order or the credibility on real issues affecting the people.

And with regards to pro choice. A Pedophile can’t help themselves when they molest a child. It’s pro choice you say. Again harming a child just like abortion harms, no murders an unborn child.

This is why there are probably millions of Christians in America, many of them Orthodox too, of which some are Greek and Cypriots, who believe voting for Biden is voting for the devil because of it. Everyone is entitled to cast their vote how they see fit and if some people have such Christian convictions that lead them to vote Trunp because he is anti late term abortion and more in line with Christian values then so be it.

But why stop at Christians. There are many devout Muslims in America who have the same beliefs and as a result, voted for Trump.

But why stop with Christians and Muslims? There are 25 million Jews in America who probably did the same thing.

We are talking about people who fast and prey every day. I can’t knock them whether they are Christians, Hews or Muslims and feel the way they do. But hardly criminals. Just very pious and that is Trump’s base. Not to mention the poor and deplorables.

Some racist huh!

The damage will be done when reality sets in for the populace and they realise again they have an in effective retread dud POTUS. The only way any damage comes to Trump is if Biden somehow proves not to be a dud for once in issues that actually affect 99% of people, not on issues where some guys want to chop their Willy off or wear a skirt or if someone wants to self identify as a monkey.

Just for what reason(s) did these 30,000 Trump supporters came to DC from across the country to demonstrate for what exactly?

There was nothing special happening on this day that required a demonstration, was there?

They all came because trump told them to come, no?

So why did they come with weapons of all sorts.

It wasn’t Trump’s birthday or wedding anniversary.

Trump wasn’t inaugurated.

Oh, I remember, Trump asked them to come to DC to “stop the steal” as it was his last chance to stop the counting of the Electoral College vote by VP Pence, so his criminal gang was sent by Trump to go and fight like hell because Pence was not helping him, so his brain dead supporters came to stop the count of the ECV and hang Pence for treason. These dumb fuckers thought they were the Minutemen from Paul Revere days in the 1775 era and that they were going to take part in a revolution and give the election to Trump and make him a Caesar of sorts and that they would be remembered in history as patriots. Talk about being fucked in the head these stupid fuckers.

The police should have shot all those coming into the Capitol to stop them. There will be investigation on that too as to why the police were not prepared and did not use deadly force. I will not be surprised that Trump arranged it all, because he did not send help to the Capitol during the invasion there while watching it live on TV. What a cunt.

So, the Pro Life Republican Party are happy to execute people, allow homelessness, hunger, poverty and deny the needy medical coverage.

Denying abortion only hurts the very poor, and with more unwanted kids, they sink even deeper into more poverty, which then from desperation comes drug use and prostitution with street gangs fighting turf wars since education and steady home becomes a distant mirage. Then we blame the victims with their destitute dire situations created by the righteous societies. Great!

Those who are well off, Republicans and Democrats can travel and get an abortion in another country like Canada should the USA become illegal, but the poor cannot, but making sure the poor remain poor so that they do not vote has been one of the Republicans main aims as they constantly create roadblocks to stop the blacks and Hispanics from voting by “Gerrymandering” by manipulating boundaries of districts against the minorities.

[Kikapu]

I always regarded Trump as a temporary aberration. I was right. What surprised me throughout his term though was the enormous fuss the man attracted. Every faux pas/gaffe/idiotic remark scathingly and repeatedly (ad nauseam sometimes) commented upon. Every Tweet attracting reams of satirical contempt. Literally thousands of Trump posts on social media sites. It’s struck me, given the man’s actual sins, as having been an astonishing display of mass hysteria. Perhaps epitomised in a small way above by your “blood on his hands”.

Across the world our old friend Vladimir sits smiling from behind his Kremlin desk, having precipitated the violent death of over 10000 Ukrainians, linked to Russia’s Crimean intervention. In China, under Xi Jinping, who like Putin is another tyrant that’s changed his country’s constitution enabling him to be leader for life (aka a dictator) there’s credible evidence of genocidal actions, both cultural and physical, against the Chinese Muslim minority. Moreover, people in China are still being executed, in some cases for what we in the West would regard as trivial offenses, at the rate of nearly 2500 a year - if you believe the CCP’s figures that is.

There’s much more bloodshed and suffering of course, under umpteen despotic regimes around the globe. But, beyond perhaps a passing “Yes, terrible situation but what can we do?” (When the useful idiots aren’t actually supporting it that is) barely a murmur. Yet, with mouth-frothing condemnation, social media en masse seems to convulse daily over Trump having “blood on his hands”. What a strange phenomena.

You cannot compare your run of the mill tin pot dictators with the western democracies surely, at least not until Trump came along and wanted to become just like them in one form or the other. When I became a naturalized citizen of the United States I too gave my allegiance to the US flag and the constitution, therefore, I have the right to characterize Trump in the way he has earned it by him, as the President of the United States willfully abusing his power to dismiss the Democratic elections and the Constitution for his own personal gains by inciting violence where people had died, then yes, he is a criminal in the highest order with blood on his hands.

[Londonrake]

Sorry, but we inhabit the same world, where comparisons and relativity are factors. So, highlighting them is reasonable. Furthermore, they should be addressed and not casually dismissed, swept under a metaphoric carpet as an inconvenience.

No matter how it’s indignantly and loudly spun Trump 5 = thousands of SM posts, Putin 10,000+ = negligible (or even defended) in the same sphere is clearly rank hypocrisy. Or, perhaps more a case of the arithmetic of an asylum.

[Kikapu]

Sorry, but we inhabit the same world, where comparisons and relativity are factors. So, highlighting them is reasonable. Furthermore, they should be addressed and not casually dismissed, swept under a metaphoric carpet as an inconvenience.

No matter how it’s indignantly and loudly spun Trump 5 = thousands of SM posts, Putin 10,000+ = negligible (or even defended) in the same sphere is clearly rank hypocrisy. Or, perhaps more a case of the arithmetic of an asylum.

I have never defended Putin’s dictatorship or others.

I only have one electoral vote/voice in the countries I am a citizen off to try to make a difference if I choose to do so. I have zero leverage against countries which I am not a citizen of since I have zero vote or voice. We rely instead on our elected officials to do that for us.

[Kikapu]

HuffPost
'Forever Stained': Wall Street Journal Delivers Devastating Verdict On Donald Trump

Lee Moran·Reporter, HuffPost
Fri, February 12, 2021, 11:22 AM

Former President Donald Trump “won’t live down his disgraceful conduct,” the Wall Street Journal editorial board said in a damning new column Thursday.

Trump’s legacy “will be forever stained” by the deadly violence that rocked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and “by his betrayal of his supporters in refusing to tell them the truth” about his 2020 election loss in the weeks leading up to the insurrection, said the conservative newspaper’s board.

And “whatever the result” of the ongoing Senate impeachment trial for inciting said events, “Republicans should remember the betrayal if Mr. Trump decides to run again in 2024,” the editorial urged.

The Journal’s board recalled some of Trump’s election fraud rhetoric in the run-up to the vote and beyond.

It suggested it was “difficult to think” Trump “ever envisioned what followed.”

“But talk about playing with fire,” the board added, noting how Trump for hours refused to attempt to defuse the violence, after saying he’d walk to the Capitol with his supporters, but instead watched the chaotic scenes on television at the White House.

There was “no defense” for his conduct “on Jan. 6 and before”.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/wall-str ... 50105.html

[Kikapu]

HuffPost
Fox News Analyst: 'Hard To Quantify' How Badly Trump Betrayed The Constitution

Lee Moran·Reporter, HuffPost
Fri, February 12, 2021, 9:53 AM

Fox News contributor Andrew McCarthy said Thursday there is no doubt the presidency of Donald Trump was “indelibly stained” by his conduct during his final weeks in office.

In a podcast interview with Mediaite’s Aidan McLaughlin, McCarthy said he couldn’t recall anything as bad from an American president as Trump’s weeks-long riling up of his supporters with election fraud lies following his loss to President Joe Biden.

“I can’t think of any other president, if you (don’t) just take January 6 by itself, but this whole continuum from November 3rd up until he left office, that’s as bad as anything I’m aware of in American history from an American president,” said McCarthy, a columnist for National Review.

Trump was impeached by the House for inciting the deadly U.S. Capitol riot and is currently being tried in the Senate.

Trump’s pressuring of then-Vice President Mike Pence in early January to “not count the state’s electoral votes” was “wrong on so many levels,” said McCarthy.

“It’s hard to quantify what a betrayal of the Constitution that is,” he added.

McCarthy, a former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, added that he hoped Trump’s presidency would eventually be remembered as a “historical aberration.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/andrew-m ... 00348.html

[repulsewarrior]

...the Defense will be making their case in a few moments, i thought this little clip describes the man they are defending,



...couldn't help myself but it is so to the point. Men like Trump are in the millions; if you've had a boss like him you know exactly what i am talking about.

[Londonrake]

I have never defended Putin’s dictatorship or others.

No, AFAIK you haven't. Which on this forum's pretty commendable. There are those who have though. In fact, it's no exaggeration to say some have been quite keen to rush in and provide excuses. I submit that - to take a contemporary example - anyone who's closely followed events over the past 6 months and can still claim - with a straight face - that Alexander Navalny is an insignificant and his experience has all just been a clever trans-continental anti-Russian conspiracy is either a mindlessly dedicated fan of Putin - the dictator - or a fucking idiot. Although, both do tend to go together. The early posts in "Russia denies" highlight their prevalence.

I liked the "tin pot" label. It puts people like Putin and Xi Jinping in the same box as Idi Amin, which they aren't at all of course. And what you said doesn't change the principal points I'm trying to make. The Trump furore is a relatively trivial matter if you consider the wider global picture and take into account who presents a potential threat to the likes of us. Or indeed who's been responsible for widespread death and suffering on the planet.

In years to come I imagine Trump will make an interesting academic study for those who'll try to rationalise the widespread, obsessive behaviour over the man. At one point you yourself were seriously suggesting the possibility of some sort of 1930's style Germanic coup to take over the US. I don't think even those with the wildest imagination would catergorise what happened on Jan 6th as that. The whole thing was farcical and just served to highlight what a knee-jerk prat Trump and some of his gullible supporters can be. Coup? Piss up in a brewery springs to mind.

I only have one electoral vote/voice in the countries I am a citizen off to try to make a difference if I choose to do so. I have zero leverage against countries which I am not a citizen of since I have zero vote or voice. We rely instead on our elected officials to do that for us.

Yes, in that regard you're an anomaly. I don't know of anybody else who's gotten to play an active electoral role in the matter, or indeed of any other US national posting on these events. There I include several other forums. That doesn't detract from my point though. On one forum there's a Trump thread which has run for 4 years now. It's 54 pages and about 1100 posts long. Mostly satirical cartoons or cut 'n' paste anti-Trump MSM extracts. On the same forum, over the same period, you would be hard pressed I think to fill up just one of those pages with posts about Putin/Xi Jinping/Rohani/Maduro/Kim Jong-un's activities. Excluding where they've included good ole Don that is. Don't you think - as a rational intelligent person - that's kind of odd and that it reinforces my "mass hysteria" point?

Trump's finished. The danger seems to me to be that continual vindictive action against the man will just make him a martyr to his devotees and inflame the obvious current polarisation in the US. Despite all the anti-Trump MSM claims the man still has millions of disgruntled supporters and If Biden screws up he could I suggest end up coming back with a vengeance. I think most of us would agree that's an undesirable.

My apologies for sort of hijacking this thread. I think I've demonstrated on many occasions my dislike of Donald Trump - as a human being. I do though firmly believe that the inordinate amount of vitriolic criticism he's attracted over the past 4 years has been totally out of proportion to his "body count". Frankly it's sometimes seemed that you've all gone fucking mad.