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[Paphitis]

So, the Senate had voted last night that Trump can be tried for his impeachment case against him even when he is no longer in office.

Whether the Banana Republican Members in the Senate will have the courage to find him guilty is another thing, but those that do not will forever will be written in history books as the ones allowing an insurrectionist President to get away with high treasonous crimes. That will be the end of this Banana Republican Party as we know it, going from bad to worse. Let’s hope Trump returns in 2024 and let’s see how many Republicans will vote for this criminal. Much much less than he has enjoyed in 2020 election, but that was before he was impeached for insurrection. Let’s see how many Republicans still believe in the “Law & Order” Slogan for their Party.

It will be like the other impeachment.

The Senate will block it as GOP won’t support it. Not as a partisan thing but because the impeachment is a FRAUD.

Why is the impeachment of Trump a fraud?

Have you been following the impeachment trial of Trump?

Trump’s name is dead in politics and in business after all the facts connects him to the insurrection and he will be Sued for various reasons in his private life.

All the Senators are witnesses to Trumps crimes on January 6th with their lives in danger and if these same GOP senators are going to let Trump off the hook, they will face the biggest defeats when their terms are up for re election. Most of them are accomplices to Trumps crimes since the election.

Any GOP senators with honour will find Trump guilty. Those who do not will be known in history as the CUNTS who let Trump escape his responsibility to his oath of office.

It’s a fraud because Trump DID NOT instruct or incite any violence or trouble.
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Then how do you explain thousands of Trump supporters converged to DC on January 6th at precise time at 11:00 from all corners of the USA, on the same day and time when the Electoral College votes to be counted to make Biden’s win official, then after listing to Trump’s directives at the WH, they went and invaded the Capitol building in a violent manner. So you dismiss months of Trump telling his supporters that the election was stolen from them and that they should stop the steal and fight like hell minutes before his brain dead supporters going to the Capitol.

If you are not able to connects the dots which are as big as basketballs , then you are not an objective person, but a loyalist instead who is willing to continue pushing Trump’s and the GOPs big lie. This has a direct connection into one’s inner personality and character which I find it to be very concerning of other aspects of their lives to perceive facts from fiction.

Why fo I have to explain anything? Why does Trump have to explain.

He doesn’t control what people will do.

No one encouraged or instructed them to break the law.

Demonstrating is fine under the IS Constitution. But being a public menace isn’t.

Whether they be BLM, ANTIFA or some red necks.

It has nothing to do at all with Trump. Demonstrating or showing support is fine. Breaking laws isn’t.

Trump’s record on law and order is self explanatory as well as his track record in holding this type of criminal behaviour accountable to the jurisdictional process. When the Democrats encouraged their hooligans to ransack US Cities, Trump restored law and order and he did the same when some hooligans ransacked Capitol Hill.

There are about 10 Governors that should be impeached.

If you are not able to connects the dots which are as big as basketballs, then you are not an objective person, but a loyalist instead who is willing to continue pushing Trump’s and the GOPs big lie. This has a direct connection into one’s inner personality and character which I find it to be very concerning of other aspects of their lives to perceive facts from fiction.

I believe in law and order and jurisdictional process not political witch hunts!

Every Democrat should be very worried about the political witch hunt.

But not to worry because the Senate won’t let it through anyway so thank heavens for this check and balance.

I have stated before, that the best thing that has happened to the Democrats is Trump, and the proof is in the pudding for the last 4 years, and with the Senate not convicting him means keeping Trump in the political loop for the foreseeable future. The only ones being punished by the non conviction of Trump will be the Republican Party, which is why there is a very concentrated effort and evidence is being put into the Impeachment trial by the Democrats whilst knowing full well that the GOP condones Trump’s criminal actions against democracy and the constitution and will not convict him, is just laying the grounds for future demise of the GOP in running the country. The GOP senators allowing Trump to escape responsibilities are only damaging themselves and their Party, so it is a win win for the Democrats.

Actually Trump is the worst thing that has happened to the Democrats.

A movement is afoot here much bigger than Trump himself. Trump is just the catalyst. Who enjoys widespread support for what he has done - 17 million people out of poverty.

Democrats, like before, seem unwilling or unable to address the real issues.

There is only one way to destroy Trump. Biden needs to be better than Trump. Since that is unlikely as the Democrats seem fixated on semantics and virtue signalling. When there is no substance then Trump or someone like him will be back.

That’s because you can’t just trample on people’s feelings and hopes and think they will be good little children and vote for you. You need leadership, substance and to be results driven - not make executive orders on who is allowed to use a woman’s bathroom.

Now, if Biden does all of that then Trump is gone. If he doesn’t get the results or lacks any real substance then I’m afraid the next GOP tsunami will be a bigger one.

You beat the people down with bullshit and you will pay.

Since I don’t believe Biden or Camela have it in them to control the Democrats or lead the country with conviction and put people back to work, then Trump will be back in some form in 2024.

And they should reset his clock so he can do 2 terms from then out to 2032.

Everything seems to be in Trump’s favour. The impeachment is playing right into his hands even. It will only garner more supporters for him.

[Paphitis]

Everything you lot say are just lies. Even to the point you said Melanie was leaving him.

Another lie after lie after lie. Nothing is true from the Democrats or MSM. Nothing.

[Kikapu]

So, the Senate had voted last night that Trump can be tried for his impeachment case against him even when he is no longer in office.

Whether the Banana Republican Members in the Senate will have the courage to find him guilty is another thing, but those that do not will forever will be written in history books as the ones allowing an insurrectionist President to get away with high treasonous crimes. That will be the end of this Banana Republican Party as we know it, going from bad to worse. Let’s hope Trump returns in 2024 and let’s see how many Republicans will vote for this criminal. Much much less than he has enjoyed in 2020 election, but that was before he was impeached for insurrection. Let’s see how many Republicans still believe in the “Law & Order” Slogan for their Party.

It will be like the other impeachment.

The Senate will block it as GOP won’t support it. Not as a partisan thing but because the impeachment is a FRAUD.

Why is the impeachment of Trump a fraud?

Have you been following the impeachment trial of Trump?

Trump’s name is dead in politics and in business after all the facts connects him to the insurrection and he will be Sued for various reasons in his private life.

All the Senators are witnesses to Trumps crimes on January 6th with their lives in danger and if these same GOP senators are going to let Trump off the hook, they will face the biggest defeats when their terms are up for re election. Most of them are accomplices to Trumps crimes since the election.

Any GOP senators with honour will find Trump guilty. Those who do not will be known in history as the CUNTS who let Trump escape his responsibility to his oath of office.

It’s a fraud because Trump DID NOT instruct or incite any violence or trouble.
.

Then how do you explain thousands of Trump supporters converged to DC on January 6th at precise time at 11:00 from all corners of the USA, on the same day and time when the Electoral College votes to be counted to make Biden’s win official, then after listing to Trump’s directives at the WH, they went and invaded the Capitol building in a violent manner. So you dismiss months of Trump telling his supporters that the election was stolen from them and that they should stop the steal and fight like hell minutes before his brain dead supporters going to the Capitol.

If you are not able to connects the dots which are as big as basketballs , then you are not an objective person, but a loyalist instead who is willing to continue pushing Trump’s and the GOPs big lie. This has a direct connection into one’s inner personality and character which I find it to be very concerning of other aspects of their lives to perceive facts from fiction.

Why fo I have to explain anything? Why does Trump have to explain.

He doesn’t control what people will do.

No one encouraged or instructed them to break the law.

Demonstrating is fine under the IS Constitution. But being a public menace isn’t.

Whether they be BLM, ANTIFA or some red necks.

It has nothing to do at all with Trump. Demonstrating or showing support is fine. Breaking laws isn’t.

Trump’s record on law and order is self explanatory as well as his track record in holding this type of criminal behaviour accountable to the jurisdictional process. When the Democrats encouraged their hooligans to ransack US Cities, Trump restored law and order and he did the same when some hooligans ransacked Capitol Hill.

There are about 10 Governors that should be impeached.

If you are not able to connects the dots which are as big as basketballs, then you are not an objective person, but a loyalist instead who is willing to continue pushing Trump’s and the GOPs big lie. This has a direct connection into one’s inner personality and character which I find it to be very concerning of other aspects of their lives to perceive facts from fiction.

I believe in law and order and jurisdictional process not political witch hunts!

Every Democrat should be very worried about the political witch hunt.

But not to worry because the Senate won’t let it through anyway so thank heavens for this check and balance.

I have stated before, that the best thing that has happened to the Democrats is Trump, and the proof is in the pudding for the last 4 years, and with the Senate not convicting him means keeping Trump in the political loop for the foreseeable future. The only ones being punished by the non conviction of Trump will be the Republican Party, which is why there is a very concentrated effort and evidence is being put into the Impeachment trial by the Democrats whilst knowing full well that the GOP condones Trump’s criminal actions against democracy and the constitution and will not convict him, is just laying the grounds for future demise of the GOP in running the country. The GOP senators allowing Trump to escape responsibilities are only damaging themselves and their Party, so it is a win win for the Democrats.

Actually Trump is the worst thing that has happened to the Democrats.

A movement is afoot here much bigger than Trump himself. Trump is just the catalyst. Who enjoys widespread support for what he has done - 17 million people out of poverty.

Democrats, like before, seem unwilling or unable to address the real issues.

There is only one way to destroy Trump. Biden needs to be better than Trump. Since that is unlikely as the Democrats seem fixated on semantics and virtue signalling. When there is no substance then Trump or someone like him will be back.

That’s because you can’t just trample on people’s feelings and hopes and think they will be good little children and vote for you. You need leadership, substance and to be results driven - not make executive orders on who is allowed to use a woman’s bathroom.

Now, if Biden does all of that then Trump is gone. If he doesn’t get the results or lacks any real substance then I’m afraid the next GOP tsunami will be a bigger one.

You beat the people down with bullshit and you will pay.

Since I don’t believe Biden or Camela have it in them to control the Democrats or lead the country with conviction and put people back to work, then Trump will be back in some form in 2024.

And they should reset his clock so he can do 2 terms from then out to 2032.

Everything seems to be in Trump’s favour. The impeachment is playing right into his hands even. It will only garner more supporters for him.

Even if half of what you say was true, Trump would still be the president today, no?

[Oceanside50]

There were irregularities during and after the election.. there are federal and state laws that were broken .. the question is do they constitute fraud or cheating? I don’t know. I voted for trump the great twice.. this wave of cancel culture and leftist nonsense needs to be halted.

[Londonrake]

I see that as far as the new regime’s “unity” policy’s concerned it’s still work underway then?

[Kikapu]

There were irregularities during and after the election.. there are federal and state laws that were broken .. the question is do they constitute fraud or cheating? I don’t know. I voted for trump the great twice.. this wave of cancel culture and leftist nonsense needs to be halted.

In the same election or separate?

There are always small irregularities in every election which has not made any difference to the final outcome of the election, but any and all serious election frauds were done by Trump and his enablers for the 2020 elections, which you had failed to mention.

If you want to challenge my statement, I will be happy to list them for you, but I doubt it would make any difference as your mind is already made up.

[repulsewarrior]

...integrity,



...what is good government. (not a question but an example)

As for this commentator's radical proposal, Criminal charges, against decisions causing death from COVID that may be pending, (the "phone call" in Georgia is certainly pending), accountability counts in America.

...indeed, never mind the State, what do the People say as Persons? Each state as such, have questions, too. As men, their values will come to Justice having to defend themselves.

Sadly, like an annoying noise in the background, these issues will play; Trump (and his accessories) criminal or not. For Americans in effect, it is an existential question.

[repulsewarrior]

There were irregularities during and after the election.. there are federal and state laws that were broken .. the question is do they constitute fraud or cheating? I don’t know. I voted for trump the great twice.. this wave of cancel culture and leftist nonsense needs to be halted.

All these questions can be answered, and given that we are at the advent of a technological frontier moved further, there should be questions, but there is no need for panic, with rash decisions, uncertainty, absolutes, which make the process vulnerable, open to creative minds of malice.

Mail in ballots and there usefulness, is a valid question. Given how many people voted in this election, it is a question which should not be ignored. Think about it, Trump got more votes, and he lost because Biden got more than him; shows you how important this election was, to the voter. Reform is needed.

...I/i have never understood why anyone would willingly declare that they are "Republican" or "Democrat", while registering to vote. What good is there in that?

And the corruption that is most apparent, seems to me to be the drawing up of electoral districts, machines are in those terms just a distraction.

(Yet, more people voted; where everyone should vote.)

[Londonrake]

A pretty sobering DT (pay-walled) article about what's coming out presently. Politics is politics of course but it's hard not to conclude that it's game over for Donald:


"Going into Donald Trump's second impeachment trial everyone thought they knew the evidence inside out already. Well, we didn't know the half of it.

Democrat prosecutors caught everybody by surprise with a barrage of new information, mainly previously unseen footage from CCTV cameras inside the US Capitol.

The video, seen below, was stunning. It showed Mike Pence and his family being rushed to safety as rioters, who wanted to hang him for treason, closed in.


Senator Mitt Romney almost walked into a murderous mob. As did Chuck Schumer, the Democrat leader in the Senate.

Nancy Pelosi's staff could be seen ducking into a room. Minutes later rioters arrived and tried to break the door down.

Members of Congress were led down a corridor to safety, hand on the shoulder of the one in front. Some passed the prone form of a rioter being held at gunpoint by police.

There was audio, too, of desperate police officers screaming for back-up that didn't come.

"We've been flanked! We've lost the line!" they yelled, to no avail.

New bodycam footage, below, showed officers being pummeled with bats and flagpoles.


The Democrat prosecutors put together an extraordinarily professional case to open the trial.

They argued not just that Mr Trump was reckless in directing his followers to the Capitol on Jan 6.

Instead, they sought to show that he cultivated a mob over a period of months, then deliberately aimed it at the seat of US democracy, with violent intent, to stop the certification of the election.

In other words, he knew what was going to happen.

According to the prosecution there was, within the mob, a premeditated plot to "assassinate" Mike Pence, Mr Trump's own vice president, who was overseeing the certification process and refusing to block it.

They showed video of a large group chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" and pictures of a makeshift wooden gallows that they erected on Capitol Hill.


Mr Trump's followers, the prosecution argued, genuinely planned to hunt down and lynch the vice president of the United States. If Mrs Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, had been found, she would have been murdered too, they said.

Considering senators are the jury, perhaps the most persuasive part of the prosecution case was how close the rioters came to the politicians.

They were within 100ft of Mr Pence. Some of them were just 58 paces down a corridor from members of Congress.


Video showed Mr Schumer hurrying down a corridor to escape, then having to turn and run the other way.

Mr Romney was seen on CCTV walking alone down a corridor, not realising he was heading towards the mob.

A police officer spotted him, guided him to safety, and then went to confront the rioters.

The trial was the first time Mr Romney had been told how near he was to danger.

During a break in proceedings, he said: "It tears at your heart and brings tears to your eyes. I was very fortunate. I look forward to thanking him [the police officer] when I next see him."

Mr Trump's lawyers had suggested the nine Democrat prosecutors would "trip over each other" presenting their case.

Instead, they produced a clear narrative, and a multimedia timeline which made sense of the flood of images everyone has seen on social media.

It linked Mr Trump's actions to those of the mob, and also showed how for hours he failed to tell them to stop.

Members of the far-Right organisation The Proud Boys were in the vanguard of the mob, and the first people to break into the Capitol wielded Trump flags, CCTV footage showed.

The prosecution's case was that all senators – Democrat and Republican alike – had been at risk.

"President Trump left everyone in this Capitol for dead," the prosecutors said. "He was coming for you, for Democratic and Republican senators. He was coming for all of us."

Those same senators, who will decide Mr Trump's fate, sat silently, and apparently riveted.


But the possibility of Mr Trump being convicted remains remote. It requires a two-thirds majority of the Senate, meaning 17 of the 50 Republicans would have to join the 50 Democrats.

John Thune, a Republican from South Dakota, said the prosecution was "very effective" and "pretty compelling". He added: "I think they’ve done a good job of connecting the dots."

But Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, a strong supporter of Mr Trump, said: "Nothing new here for me at the end of the day."

Indeed, some Republicans may feel the prosecution overreached by trying to link Mr Trump to a plot involving the murder of his own vice president.

Democrats know a conviction in the Senate is elusive, and their made-for-TV presentation was also produced with the court of public opinion in mind.

They want to shock the American public – particularly Republican voters – so much that, even after an acquittal, Mr Trump cannot gather enough support to run for the presidency again.

Lisa Murkowski, a Republican senator and juror, suggested they may have succeeded.

She said: "I don’t see how after the American public sees the whole story laid out here, this whole scenario laid out before us... I don’t see how Donald Trump could be re-elected to the presidency again."

Mr Trump is well aware of the Democrat strategy, and furious with his own lawyers who made a lackluster start to the trial.

Peter Navarro, a former adviser to Mr Trump, said he had spoken to the ex-president by telephone and suggested he fire his lawyers, or risk losing support in the country.

Mr Navarro said: "If he doesn't make a mid-course correction here he's going to lose this Super Bowl."

[Kikapu]

...I/i have never understood why anyone would willingly declare that they are "Republican" or "Democrat", while registering to vote. What good is there in that?
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Warrior, the main reason why people register to one party or the other is so that they can vote in the primaries to select a candidate from many to run for office, or else one may not be allowed to vote in the primaries unless registered with a party. For Presidential election, anyone can vote for either candidate regardless with which party one is registered with.

The Primary

In the early twentieth century there was a movement to give more power to citizens in the selection of candidates for the party's nomination. The primary election developed from this reform movement. In a primary election, registered voters may participate in choosing the candidate for the party's nomination by voting through secret ballot, as in a general election.

There are two main types of primaries, closed or open, that determine who is eligible to vote in the primary. In a closed primary a registered voter may vote only in the election for the party with which that voter is affiliated. For example a voter registered as Democratic can vote only in the Democratic primary and a Republican can vote only in the Republican primary. In an open primary, on the other hand, a registered voter can vote in either primary regardless of party membership. The voter cannot, however, participate in more than one primary. A third less common type of primary, the blanket primary, allows registered voters to participate in all primaries.