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[Kikapu]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

[repulsewarrior]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

...good question;

...or more generally, Republicans, or, Democrats?

[Kikapu]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

...good question;

...or more generally, Republicans, or, Democrats?

It is commonly accepted that the Republicans are Mean Spirited and the Democrats are Compassionate!

[Londonrake]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

That isn't hypothetical, it's in the realm of abstract fantasy.

The principal, and absolutely relentless, criticisms of Trump over the past 4 years have primarily been about his odious character. Nevertheless, haven't there been lots of such POTUS? Wasn't Nixon a liar? The demi-god JFK a serial adulterer? LBJ a foul mouthed thug? Clinton, another (brazen) adulterer with a dodgy background? Some of them had the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands.

Globally, what did Trump do that was so deserving of his political epitaph? He never took the US to war, despite several times when others I've mentioned would have had no hesitation. He brought US troops out of foreign countries and repatriated them. So, to me it's a mystery why he attracts such bitter hatred. People spit on the clown but nod their heads in respect to the butchers and adulterers it seems. Basically though.............................. dunno. You're the ABC man.

I suspect Biden's legacy won't be one of just personal acrimony but involve the deaths of a lot of people. Moreover, he will escape it without a hint of the sort of scathing bitterness Trump has attracted. A conundrum.

You keep trying to turn me into some sort of apologist for Donald Trump. That's not true. The reality I suggest is that you're all so fixated on his obnoxiousness you can't see the (global) wood for the trees.

[Kikapu]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

That isn't hypothetical, it's in the realm of abstract fantasy.

The principal, and absolutely relentless, criticisms of Trump over the past 4 years have primarily been about his odious character. Nevertheless, haven't there been lots of such POTUS? Wasn't Nixon a liar? The demi-god JFK a serial adulterer? LBJ a foul mouthed thug? Clinton, another (brazen) adulterer with a dodgy background? Some of them had the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands.

Globally, what did Trump do that was so deserving of his political epitaph? He never took the US to war, despite several times when others I've mentioned would have had no hesitation. He brought US troops out of foreign countries and repatriated them. So, to me it's a mystery why he attracts such bitter hatred. People spit on the clown but nod their heads in respect to the butchers and adulterers it seems. Basically though.............................. dunno. You're the ABC man.

I suspect Biden's legacy won't be one of just personal acrimony but involve the deaths of a lot of people. Moreover, he will escape it without a hint of the sort of scathing bitterness Trump has attracted. A conundrum.

You keep trying to turn me into some sort of apologist for Donald Trump. That's not true. The reality I suggest is that you're all so fixated on his obnoxiousness you can't see the (global) wood for the trees.

Well, it was just a simple question, but it was met with deflection upon deflection upon deflection!

One can easily misinterpret that as being an “apologist or an enabler”!

I do not make such accusations LR. I just make observations!

Presidents lying to Americans on insignificant matters, cheating on their spouses or not keeping their promises made during campaigns are not what Presidents take an oath to, but instead to uphold the constitution.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

It is irrelevant whether I can or cannot see the wood through the trees, but more importantly, whether Trump can see the constitution through the presidential oath he took for the office? He has failed many times with the COVID-19 pandemic where thousands of lives have been lost through neglect and dereliction of duty, during the demonstrations/riots after murders of black suspects by white police officers by violating citizens right, and since the election on November 3rd in trying to subvert Democracy like a tinpot dictator.

[Paphitis]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

Republicans were the ones to fight against slavery then, and they will be the ones fighting against it today.

I am being serious Kikapu. I’m not joking.

The Democrats today are part of a global system that is trying to enslave and control us. You will see this too in due course as the pig dressed in lipstick.

Trump was a poster boy that upset the Apple cart and as a result, the billionaire class, Hollywood, Big Tech and MSM who further the interests of the top 0.1% turned on him.

[Paphitis]

Click bait!

Yes it is, just for his idiotic supporters who are so gullible that they believe anything what Trump does and says, hence they being brain dead!

Hah! You had all the MSM and Big Tech on your side for the last 4 years. Hence all the clickbait you can dream of.

Us Trumpsters only had a couple of media outlets that tried to put things into perspective.

With all that going for you, you are still major f@ch ups!

Yes, it is all MSM and Big Tech’s fault that Trump is a cunt and his followers are bunch of gullible suckers.

BLIND LOVE!

Oh come on. You voted a guy who doesn’t know what day it is!

Say what you will but Trump can never be bought like Biden can. With love from Ukraine!

Most of us voted against Trump, the cunt, wanting and still trying to be an autocrat, leading to dictatorship.

Trump gives himself a huge tax cut, cheats on his taxes, asks for Russia’s help to help him win the 2016 election, he pardons convicted criminals and soon to pardon his family and himself. Innocent people do not need to be pardoned!

I’m sorry but that is such a hysterical post full of I’ll informed slander the kind of which we have become accustomed too.

Trump was the leader of the free and democratic world. A world that others are trying to make less democratic and free, not Trump. He was a massive hindrance to the new norm, which you will not like as it will not serve your interests even in the slightest.

Here, on this forum, we have members harping on about the virtues of Pootin and Assad. Trump isn’t to be compared and as actually the anti-politician and the anti-establishment. He was only part of the revolution that is to come.

[Paphitis]

Some way to go before measuring up to slick Willie (140).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ll_Clinton

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It is amazing how many Trump enablers are around!

Biggest pardon Clinton gave was for Marc Rich charged for huge tax evasion in the millions who lived/lives couple of Cantons from me in Canton Zug here in Switzerland. But he was not part of Clinton’s inner circles unlike Trump, which most of those he is pardoned and will pardon are part of Trump’s inner circle.

Pardons are not illegal, unless purpose for those pardoned are quid pro quo, in which case it is a crime, and in Trump’s case, that seems to be the case, to which, many of his pardons will be overturned by the Justice department and the courts if quid pro quo is proven.

The question remains why did he pardon him then? Why hun who defrauded the tax man of several millions? And why not pardon all others who defrauded the tax man of much much smaller amounts? I will tell you why. Because he was part of the 0.1% and the others were not. If you defrauded the tax man of just a few thousand bucks and went to jail, you would not be pardoned.

You seem to question the validity of Flynn’s pardon. However, just purely due to his history of selflessly serving his country, and also in Afghanistan, there is probably no more a worthy recipient. That plus the fact that his crime was purely committed because of the fact he was part of a political storm over his meeting with the Russian Ambassador. A meeting the Russians instigated by their own request because they had questions or queries related to their own defence and security and went as far as them being concerned over the security of the US Nuclear Arsenal. Concerns which were again fabricated by the US MSM and Democrats.

Sorry, but I really don’t see a lot of criminality in Flynn. All I see is a victim of circumstance who admitted himself later on that he gave false testimony and committed perjury.

Definitely at the top of the list in my book for a Presidential Pardon as he was never any risk to the community, to America and only acted in America’s interests and for his team.

[Paphitis]

...one hopes that "Americans" will come to their senses, being Americans in deed.

That's very much up to how Biden turns out I suspect.

LR, let me ask you a question.

Hypothetically, if slavery was still happening in the USA today, which President would likely to free the slaves at the risk of a civil war, Trump or Biden?

...good question;

...or more generally, Republicans, or, Democrats?

It is commonly accepted that the Republicans are Mean Spirited and the Democrats are Compassionate!

No. That’s not the case.

Very simplistic view. 2 ideologies. One has departed from their ideology and gone the other way and the other has stuck to their’s and is attracting the votes of the workers and poor from the other so you work it out.

The GOPs ideology is predominately small to medium business and small government. Democrats, well right now, don’t represent much at all other than offshore and globalist interests.

The GOP is a sister party to the party currently in power in Canberra, Australia. If a vote were to be held, I would imagine them getting 60% of all votes putting them in the league of the pootin’s in this world so what you say is not common thought at all. Quite the opposite in fact. They are also seen as better economic managers and have low taxation as one of their Corp principles which also favours the worker quite a lot, especially those who work hard.

[Paphitis]

The GOP and their Australian cousin (Liberal Party) are always the first to oppose over regulation, red tape, tax increases, and anything that has an impact on freedom.

For instance, they were instrumental in opposing the Australia Card or Identity Cards similar to what Cyprus has purely for the fact that it made surveillance and tracking much easier.

They don’t like things like that.

They most certainly will oppose any laws that tells families and individuals how to live and be less free.

That’s where the left have gone all wrong. They seem to have departed from representing workers, families and business. And the GOP and their equivalents are happy to try and fill the void.

The GOP and their equivalents are also the main force he’ll bent on protecting internet and free press freedoms. The Democrats however want to control it and have been very successful at it as they definitely were pulling the strings of the MSM and virtually control it as we have seen at the last US Elections.