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[erolz66]

You serially and repeatedly tried to defended a convicted paedophile here on this forum, detached from all reality, for no other reason than you wanted to believe and convince others such abuse was not widespread and disproportionately higher in elite fee paying boarding schools than normal public ones. Then you are going to lecture others on 'supporting evil' ? You supported a known convicted paedophile. You claimed they had not been convicted when they had. You defended him and made out he was just subject to malicious gossip when in fact for decades he had been penetrating children under his care and protection. This is what you DID here in front of all of us.

No I didn’t. I would never do that.

I defended someone who was wrongly accused and set up and now exonerated and freed.

LIAR.

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As for pedophiles, they can rot in hell. That has always been my position.

Your actions speak much louder than your words Paphitis. When the convicted paedophiles pointed out to you were teachers and staff at elite public schools you in fact made countless efforts to defend such people and deny they had done wrong, because the reality did not suit you. It is all there in black and white on the forum Paphitis. Not just once. Not just until you were shown the incontrovertible evidence of theirs. No you continued to push lies and make out these people had not been convicted when they had.

[Paphitis]

You serially and repeatedly tried to defended a convicted paedophile here on this forum, detached from all reality, for no other reason than you wanted to believe and convince others such abuse was not widespread and disproportionately higher in elite fee paying boarding schools than normal public ones. Then you are going to lecture others on 'supporting evil' ? You supported a known convicted paedophile. You claimed they had not been convicted when they had. You defended him and made out he was just subject to malicious gossip when in fact for decades he had been penetrating children under his care and protection. This is what you DID here in front of all of us.

No I didn’t. I would never do that.

I defended someone who was wrongly accused and set up and now exonerated and freed.

LIAR.

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As for pedophiles, they can rot in hell. That has always been my position.

Your actions speak much louder than your words Paphitis. When the convicted paedophiles pointed out to you were teachers and staff at elite public schools you in fact made countless efforts to defend such people and deny they had done wrong, because the reality did not suit you. It is all there in black and white on the forum Paphitis. Not just once. Not just until you were shown the incontrovertible evidence of theirs. No you continued to push lies and make out these people had not been convicted when they had.

You are the liar. I am not familiar with the case of the individual or am I familiar with what he did or what evidence was posed to convict him if he was convicted at all.

I say that because these days you can be convicted for hugging a child.

I am however very familiar with Geelong Grammar as the fine institution that it is as my children attend a sister school to Geelong Grammar belonging to exactly the very same institution.

I defended Geelong Grammar because they are one of the greatest schools in Australia and that is a fact. A school that moulds the future leaders of Australia to people who will have a great impact on society and Australia’s institutions.

Now when it comes to Cardinal Pell. Yes I 100% defended him. That’s true. I defended him because he was an innocent man. He was victimised, wrongly accused and vilified. I defended him because he was a truly nice man. And now, he has been vindicated.

The thought that there are many others who have been wrongly accused has not been lost on me either. It’s definitely possible. But I am not aware of any information about the chap you mention, what he has done and what evidence was used to convict him if at all, unlike Pell.

Schools like Geelong Grammar are an asset to Australia for what they do.

[Paphitis]

Oh and one more thing. These schools don’t have a political narrative or agenda. Their agenda is education and Christianity. Specifically, The Church of England or Anglican Church.

They are however elite.

Christianity isn’t political. People like you are trying to make them appear political because you want to destroy them.

I myself attended Catholic Schools.

My children attended an Orthodox School before they were accepted into the Anglican school.

All of them are good. I trust them all.

[Kikapu]

Trump on the other hand DID serve your interests in many ways, but due to clever marketing and propaganda, many whose interests were served swallowed the narrative and went against the man that would have put a few dollars in your pocket if you were in the US.

Listen my friend, I moved to the US in 1979 at age 24 and became a US citizen in 1996 and have lived under presidents from different political parties and at no time was I ever broke, hungry or homeless. Firstly, I survived because of me and not because of any President. Secondly, it is a myth that one does financially better under a Republican than a Democrat. Thirdly, I can’t be bought financially with all the bad things Trump has done as a President, especially just this year alone. He is inherently a bad person with extreme characteristic faults and for me, that is a deal breaker to not vote for him , but enough reasons to vote against him. Many American have shared my views and voted against him in this election. For me and many other Americans the country comes before any one individual.

[Paphitis]

Trump on the other hand DID serve your interests in many ways, but due to clever marketing and propaganda, many whose interests were served swallowed the narrative and went against the man that would have put a few dollars in your pocket if you were in the US.

Listen my friend, I moved to the US in 1979 at age 24 and became a US citizen in 1996 and have lived under presidents from different political parties and at no time was I ever broke, hungry or homeless. Firstly, I survived because of me and not because of any President. Secondly, it is a myth that one does financially better under a Republican than a Democrat. Thirdly, I can’t be bought financially with all the bad things Trump has done as a President, especially just this year alone. He is inherently a bad person with extreme characteristic faults and for me, that is a deal breaker to not vote for him , but enough reasons to vote against him. Many American have shared my views and voted against him in this election. For me and many other Americans the country comes before any one individual.

I never said you were broke. I wouldn’t be either.

But we are not all the same. Fact is some Americans live in the poorer rust belt states and not California, New York or Illinois. Some had great mining jobs, great manufacturing jobs in Detroit till the day American manufacturing steadily declined to the point where they lost their jobs and never worked again.

Sure, you can get a waiting job or wash dishes for a crust but it’s not the same. They lost their hope and dignity. That’s sad.

Well 17 million of these people saw brighter days.

It’s not about you or me Kikapu, think about the blue collar guy who dropped out of school and worked on the factory lines for years before they lost their job.

[erolz66]

You are the liar. I am not familiar with the case of the individual or am I familiar with what he did or what evidence was posed to convict him if he was convicted at all.

So today you claim you are not familiar with the person or the case, yet a year ago when I POSTED the details of this and other people and their crimes and their convictions you came back with trash like

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

Those are just LIES. There is no other way to describe such a claim when the truth is they WERE ALL convicted in courts of law and this had been SHOWN to YOU before multiple time.

To me not only do you come across so much of the time as a stubborn opinionated POS, you come across as a lazy assed, incompetent and stupid stubborn opinionated POS who thinks so highly of themselves that they can not even be bothered to read what has been shown to them before they start spouting off.

I say that because these days you can be convicted for hugging a child.

This is why I used terms like POS in relation to you in this discussion Paphitis. You can NOT be convicted of PENTRATING A CHILD UNDER THE AGFE OF 13 merely for 'hugging a child', you POS. You had already been shown that John Hamilton Buckley had been CONVICTED of this specific offence in a court of law and yet still CHOSE to come back with LIES like

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

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Let me try and make this as plain and simple for you as possible Paphitis. When you claim someone who HAS been convicted of penetration of a child under the age of 13 has never been charged or found guilty or convicted you are telling a LIE. It really is that simple. Mistake is ruled out when you repeatedly tell this lie AFTER it has already been shown that the person was charged, was found guilty and was convicted. No amount of waffle about 'political madness gone mad' and hugging children changes the fact of your LIES.

And in similar simple terms. When you post such LIES about convicted paedophiles as you did and claim they did not in fact commit the crimes they were charged, found guilty and convicted for in courts of law, you were explicitly defending the people who committed these crimes AND the acts themselves. Hence the POS label.

What led to me 'engaging' with you Paphitis on this, despite my better judgment, was your sanctimonious moralising and attempts to claim moral superiority over others. When such comes from someone who has lied about and tried to defend people like John Hamilton Buckley here openly in public, then it gets a bit much for me.

[Paphitis]

You are the liar. I am not familiar with the case of the individual or am I familiar with what he did or what evidence was posed to convict him if he was convicted at all.

So today you claim you are not familiar with the person or the case, yet a year ago when I POSTED the details of this and other people and their crimes and their convictions you came back with trash like

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

Those are just LIES. There is no other way to describe such a claim when the truth is they WERE ALL convicted in courts of law and this had been SHOWN to YOU before multiple time.

To me not only do you come across so much of the time as a stubborn opinionated POS, you come across as a lazy assed, incompetent and stupid stubborn opinionated POS who thinks so highly of themselves that they can not even be bothered to read what has been shown to them before they start spouting off.

I say that because these days you can be convicted for hugging a child.

This is why I used terms like POS in relation to you in this discussion Paphitis. You can NOT be convicted of PENTRATING A CHILD UNDER THE AGFE OF 13 merely for 'hugging a child', you POS. You had already been shown that John Hamilton Buckley had been CONVICTED of this specific offence in a court of law and yet still CHOSE to come back with LIES like

These people were never charged or found guilty or convicted.

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Let me try and make this as plain and simple for you as possible Paphitis. When you claim someone who HAS been convicted of penetration of a child under the age of 13 has never been charged or found guilty or convicted you are telling a LIE. It really is that simple. Mistake is ruled out when you repeatedly tell this lie AFTER it has already been shown that the person was charged, was found guilty and was convicted. No amount of waffle about 'political madness gone mad' and hugging children changes the fact of your LIES.

And in similar simple terms. When you post such LIES about convicted paedophiles as you did and claim they did not in fact commit the crimes they were charged, found guilty and convicted for in courts of law, you were explicitly defending the people who committed these crimes AND the acts themselves. Hence the POS label.

What led to me 'engaging' with you Paphitis on this, despite my better judgment, was your sanctimonious moralising and attempts to claim moral superiority over others. When such comes from someone who has lied about and tried to defend people like John Hamilton Buckley here openly in public, then it gets a bit much for me.

Right so you agree that this individual may have been accused. Convicted and accused are 2 different things.

In Australia we have seen many teachers and preachers accused of things. It’s actually got to the point where people have their pitch forks out looking for the next scalp. All for political expediency because institutions like the Catholic Church here have had to venture into the political sphere to lobby for things such as transgender issues, abortion, euthanasia and other social issues like them.

Not just the Catholics, but also the Anglicans, Orthodox and Judaism as well. They have been vilified. Unfairly vilified.

Hence why we had debacles like the wrongful conviction of Cardinal Pell. The guy was so high up, in the top 20 or so Catholic Clerics in the world, the so called anti religion zealots saw an opportunity to strike at the center of the Vatican. I knew he was innocent. That his trial was politically fixed and corrupted. I knew an innocent man was being made to pay an undeserved sentence. And also deal with the shame and embarrassment. Well eventually our Federal court overturned it and in the final judgement they expressed their disdain of the Victorian Supreme Court for convicting a man upon hearsay and with no material evidence. So his good name was reinstated and he went back to the Vatican to resume his duties. A happy ending.

I am however not familiar with the individuals you mention. Or do I know if they were innocent or guilty. I don’t even know what they are accused of. I haven’t even heard of them.

My position is very clear. I will not defend pedophiles. Nothing more ghastly to me than a sexual predator.

I have and will defend the innocent. I also acknowledge the blood lust for these people. It’s very easy to be accused these days. For instance, I wouldn’t be a teacher in this environment. Teachers have and will find themselves on the front page of papers from time to time. Most of them are innocent. They may have hugged a child or accidentally brushed against a child and a parent my see an opportunity. Just because the kid got a bad grade or something.

I saw this occur to an Orthodox Priest. If that guy was a sexual predator, I would eat my hat. The guy wouldn’t step on an ant.

[erolz66]

Right so you agree that this individual may have been accused. Convicted and accused are 2 different things.

I agree you are a POS. You tell me Paphitis. Was John Hamilton Buckley convicted of penetrating a child under the age of 13 in an Australian court of law or not ? He either was convicted of it or he was not. Are you really unable to establish for yourself which of these it is ? To date you have repeatedly made claims like they were never charged, never found guilty and the like when this SPECIFIC person was mentioned. You said this based on what ? On nothing because it is simply NOT TRUE. When you continue to say things that are NOT TRUE you continue to LIE.

Answer the question. Was John Hamilton Buckley convicted of serious child sexual abuse offenses ? Yes or No ?

[Paphitis]

Right so you agree that this individual may have been accused. Convicted and accused are 2 different things.

I agree you are a POS. You tell me Paphitis. Was John Hamilton Buckley convicted of penetrating a child under the age of 13 in an Australian court of law or not ? He either was convicted of it or he was not. Are you really unable to establish for yourself which of these it is ? To date you have repeatedly made claims like they were never charged, never found guilty and the like when this SPECIFIC person was mentioned. You said this based on what ? On nothing because it is simply NOT TRUE. When you continue to say things that are NOT TRUE you continue to LIE.

Answer the question. Was John Hamilton Buckley convicted of serious child sexual abuse offenses ? Yes or No ?

Sorry but I can't tell you or know anything about this particular case at all, or the individual concerned.

If however he penetrated a boy as you mention, then obviously I agree that he or any individual for that matter should be in jail for a very long time. I have no time for any such persons or have any desire to defend them. So much so, that perpetrators of such crimes should be lifers.

If the individual was in a position of trust such as being a teacher or preacher at any school, then it is even more serious because the individual used their position of trust to have access to vulnerable children and do those kinds of evil deeds.

My concern is not for such individuals but for the innocent who are wrongly accused and vilified. It happens in Australia and they are politically motivated as part of the politically motivated culture wars against organised religion because of their opposition to same sex marriage, transgender issues, abortion and euthanasia. The most notable case of such vilification, was Cardinal Pell.

My other concern is for the fine establishments such as Geelong Grammar, Pultney Grammar and schools of that nature because they are very fine institutions. Among the very finest in the world.

[erolz66]

I have no time for any such persons or have any desire to defend them. So much so, that perpetrators of such crimes should be lifers.

When a year ago I posted the details of THIS person and the crimes they were convicted of you REPLIED about THIS VERY PERSON, that they had not been convicted and all there was was gossip from disgruntled students who had been caught with drugs. I have posted the link where you did this. Everything you claimed about THIS person back then was UNTRUE and a LIE. Now you say you do not even know who this person is or if they did or did not commit any crimes or not.

You are a pathetic lying POS.