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[Pyrpolizer]

Just a thought though. I wonder who would go all the way to Tomsk in Siberia to slip something like Novichok in the man’s tea - if he was a popular and as much of a threat as a house fly.

If you think he did it to himself as a “publicity stunt” then you’re irredeemable and “discussion” (although, actually, your input consists mainly of flippant, one-liner idiocies) seems pretty pointless.

I wonder what it is about Putin that attracts such blind devotion. (The guy’s a thug, running a kleptocracy) . Is it a religious thing? You know, a bit like Charlie Manson?

As always, when the chips are down with the man and it’s blindingly obvious, you people just spout obfuscating bullshit.

If Putin is really as you say then he and Erdogan are more or less the same kind of dictators.
Yet they do it all against their own people.
So why do you care so much for Putin and the Russians? One Russian more one Russian less will make no difference to us or you or anyoneone else.
Just like one Turk more one Turk less won't make any difference.

So why this obsession of dealing with Putin and Russia?
Is this the some form of continuum of "anti-communism" as implanted in the brains of young people in the 50s and 60s etc who are now at your age?
Just wondering.

NB. Why don't you start dealing with Erdogan for example? Isn't it because the all controlled Western Media don'twant to report anything against this Nato dictator who is also an EU trash industry host?

[Londonrake]

If Putin is really as you say then he and Erdogan are more or less the same kind of dictators.
Yet they do it all against their own people.
So why do you care so much for Putin and the Russians? One Russian more one Russian less will make no difference to us or you or anyoneone else.
Just like one Turk more one Turk less won't make any difference.

So why this obsession of dealing with Putin and Russia?
Is this the some form of continuum of "anti-communism" as implanted in the brains of young people in the 50s and 60s etc who are now at your age?
Just wondering.

Hello. Seems to have been a while. How is “Admin” these days?

I wouldn’t call it an “obsession”. That epithet I believe rests more with those who - for some reason which has always eluded me - will defend the man, no matter how blatant his nefarious activities become. Often to the point - as with the Skripal affair - of risible absurdity.

Let’s not forget the (latest) event which prompted me to generate the OP. Do you not think it significant?

Yes. Both Putin and Erdogan clearly have ambitions to lead their countries along the path of restoring past glories. Both are dictators (although the acolytes still tend to insist Putin’s a democrat ) with all the risks implicit in that. My family have been there.

I don’t believe it’s possible to be more “anti-communist” than Vladimir Putin and his cohorts. The term Fascist is entirely appropriate.

Perhaps I can ask you a question. How do you perceive the man? Whatever POV we hold he’s obviously one of the main current political players In the world. I assume you have an opinion, rather than the old Cyp, indifferent shoulder shrug?

[Pyrpolizer]

If Putin is really as you say then he and Erdogan are more or less the same kind of dictators.
Yet they do it all against their own people.
So why do you care so much for Putin and the Russians? One Russian more one Russian less will make no difference to us or you or anyoneone else.
Just like one Turk more one Turk less won't make any difference.

So why this obsession of dealing with Putin and Russia?
Is this the some form of continuum of "anti-communism" as implanted in the brains of young people in the 50s and 60s etc who are now at your age?
Just wondering.

Hello. Seems to have been a while. How is “Admin” these days?

I wouldn’t call it an “obsession”. That epithet I believe rests more with those who - for some reason which has always eluded me - will defend the man, no matter how blatant his nefarious activities become. Often to the point - as with the Skripal affair - of risible absurdity.

Let’s not forget the (latest) event which prompted me to generate the OP. Do you not think it significant?

Yes. Both Putin and Erdogan clearly have ambitions to lead their countries along the path of restoring past glories. Both are dictators (although the acolytes still tend to insist Putin’s a democrat ) with all the risks implicit in that. My family have been there.

I don’t believe it’s possible to be more “anti-communist” than Vladimir Putin and his cohorts. The term Fascist is entirely appropriate.

Perhaps I can ask you a question. How do you perceive the man? Whatever POV we hold he’s obviously one of the main current political players In the world. I assume you have an opinion, rather than the old Cyp, indifferent shoulder shrug?

Hi, the "Admin" is fine, just dropped in to see how his "forum" is doing.

I do have an opinion about the Russian people, and that opinion is respect for a nation that offered so much to the world as far as civilisation is concerned. Don't forget the contribution of Russians in WWII too. I was always against communism though.

Quite honestly I don't have a solid opinion for Putin, because all I see in him when he talks is the standard of civilisation and fine education of most Russians.
I was impressed from the details CG described of the situation in most ex-USSR satelites, where some elitists or mafia grabbed all the wealth after the collapse of USSR. This is evident even here in Cyprus when we encounter Russian oligarchs. It's quite possible that the current leaders of those countries (Putin included) are both servants and leaders of that oligarchy. Problem is it's the same everywhere in the world!

Furthermore the West still considers Russia an enemy, for unknown to me reasons. The USSR was certainly a threat to the Western values of freedom in spreading it's communism, but what's the threat today???
And if Ukraine can join the EU, why not Russia?

[Paphitis]

So some schmuck with the popularity of a housefly, is suddenly “poisoned” and must go to Germany to confirm it!

Well orchestrated anti-Russian theatrics we’ve seen before...

An interesting - and thought provoking - analysis.

I just wonder how many of Putin's ever decreasing number of critics have to end up murdered, or as bungled poisoning victims before it stops being "anti-Russian theatrics". This one in Siberia. I wonder how they "orchestrated" that.

As far as popularity's concerned, I'm torn between whether you can't actually read, are drunk again or just yet another useful idiot. Maybe a combination of all three?

Hmm, let's see now... oh, he was convicted twice of embezzlement and has a YouTube channel where he has four million subscribers, and on Twitter where he has 2.2 million followers!

That’s actually massive for YouTube and Twitter.

Plus I’m might be more. In Russia, people don’t have the luxury of showing online support to these anti Pootin figures.

We are seeing similar things in Australia as well these days. Police have started arresting journalists in Australia. One got arrested today.

But we are still not even close to Russia. But fair to say, it doesn’t feel good where we are at today.

We have become a fascist State in Victoria especially.

[Paphitis]

Just a thought though. I wonder who would go all the way to Tomsk in Siberia to slip something like Novichok in the man’s tea - if he was a popular and as much of a threat as a house fly.

If you think he did it to himself as a “publicity stunt” then you’re irredeemable and “discussion” (although, actually, your input consists mainly of flippant, one-liner idiocies) seems pretty pointless.

I wonder what it is about Putin that attracts such blind devotion. (The guy’s a thug, running a kleptocracy) . Is it a religious thing? You know, a bit like Charlie Manson?

As always, when the chips are down with the man and it’s blindingly obvious, you people just spout obfuscating bullshit.

If Putin is really as you say then he and Erdogan are more or less the same kind of dictators.
Yet they do it all against their own people.
So why do you care so much for Putin and the Russians? One Russian more one Russian less will make no difference to us or you or anyoneone else.
Just like one Turk more one Turk less won't make any difference.

So why this obsession of dealing with Putin and Russia?
Is this the some form of continuum of "anti-communism" as implanted in the brains of young people in the 50s and 60s etc who are now at your age?
Just wondering.

NB. Why don't you start dealing with Erdogan for example? Isn't it because the all controlled Western Media don'twant to report anything against this Nato dictator who is also an EU trash industry host?

They are reporting on Erdowan the Diktator in Australia so I think it’s the same in the US. In fact the tensions between Greece and Turkey are on the news now nearly every day. Even more so than Pootin.

And the media coverage seems to be AGAINST Erdowan.

One network went as far as labelling Erdowan a terrorist. That was Sky News Australia. Owned by Murdoch. Who also owns FOX News in the US. Sky News Australia is the sister of FOX News. It’s very biased towards GOO and The Liberal Party of Australia which is the same as Tory Party in UK or DYSI in Cyprus. They don’t like Turkey right now.

My guess is that this pivot is as a result of the Jewish and Zionist lobbies in the US and Australia who are very active politically.

So, Erdowan has backed himself in a bit of a corner. Politically, the support in NATO is leaning towards Greece. The EU is definitely leaning towards Greece, however there are some traitors there, like Germany. Maybe even Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.

If Hillary won in 2016, Greece and Cyprus could be stuffed. But from what I’m observing, the GOP, and conservative side of politics is more anti Erdowan. The people who vote for Trump, are more likely to be against Turkey.

On other side called mainstream media, are still biased towards Greece but it is less blatant or a lot more subtle. FOX News and Sky Australia are not subtle at all.

The GOO supporter base which is also overwhelmingly Christian, seemed to go anti Turkey over Agia Sophia as well.

Agia Sophia also made it on Sky News Australia but the rest of the media ignored it.

[Pyrpolizer]

They are reporting on Erdowan the Diktator in Australia so I think it’s the same in the US. In fact the tensions between Greece and Turkey are on the news now nearly every day. Even more so than Pootin.

And the media coverage seems to be AGAINST Erdowan.

One network went as far as labelling Erdowan a terrorist. That was Sky News Australia. Owned by Murdoch. Who also owns FOX News in the US. Sky News Australia is the sister of FOX News. It’s very biased towards GOO and The Liberal Party of Australia which is the same as Tory Party in UK or DYSI in Cyprus. They don’t like Turkey right now.

My guess is that this pivot is as a result of the Jewish and Zionist lobbies in the US and Australia who are very active politically.

So, Erdowan has backed himself in a bit of a corner. Politically, the support in NATO is leaning towards Greece. The EU is definitely leaning towards Greece, however there are some traitors there, like Germany. Maybe even Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.

If Hillary won in 2016, Greece and Cyprus could be stuffed. But from what I’m observing, the GOP, and conservative side of politics is more anti Erdowan. The people who vote for Trump, are more likely to be against Turkey.

On other side called mainstream media, are still biased towards Greece but it is less blatant or a lot more subtle. FOX News and Sky Australia are not subtle at all.

The GOO supporter base which is also overwhelmingly Christian, seemed to go anti Turkey over Agia Sophia as well.

Agia Sophia also made it on Sky News Australia but the rest of the media ignored it.

Erdogan started getting targetted only recently. Putin has been targetted for as long as I can remember.
The big difference is that Turkey is not considered an enemy in the EU or the US but rather a partner, whereas Russia (not because of Putin per se) IS_CONSIDERED an enemy.
Question still remains:Why?

[Paphitis]

They are reporting on Erdowan the Diktator in Australia so I think it’s the same in the US. In fact the tensions between Greece and Turkey are on the news now nearly every day. Even more so than Pootin.

And the media coverage seems to be AGAINST Erdowan.

One network went as far as labelling Erdowan a terrorist. That was Sky News Australia. Owned by Murdoch. Who also owns FOX News in the US. Sky News Australia is the sister of FOX News. It’s very biased towards GOO and The Liberal Party of Australia which is the same as Tory Party in UK or DYSI in Cyprus. They don’t like Turkey right now.

My guess is that this pivot is as a result of the Jewish and Zionist lobbies in the US and Australia who are very active politically.

So, Erdowan has backed himself in a bit of a corner. Politically, the support in NATO is leaning towards Greece. The EU is definitely leaning towards Greece, however there are some traitors there, like Germany. Maybe even Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.

If Hillary won in 2016, Greece and Cyprus could be stuffed. But from what I’m observing, the GOP, and conservative side of politics is more anti Erdowan. The people who vote for Trump, are more likely to be against Turkey.

On other side called mainstream media, are still biased towards Greece but it is less blatant or a lot more subtle. FOX News and Sky Australia are not subtle at all.

The GOO supporter base which is also overwhelmingly Christian, seemed to go anti Turkey over Agia Sophia as well.

Agia Sophia also made it on Sky News Australia but the rest of the media ignored it.

Erdogan started getting targetted only recently. Putin has been targetted for as long as I can remember.
The big difference is that Turkey is not considered an enemy in the EU or the US but rather a partner, whereas Russia (not because of Putin per se) IS_CONSIDERED an enemy.
Question still remains:Why?

Yes and there is plenty of reasons why we (NATO and other countries ) would target him.

First, he isn't popular in NATO countries, and more-so even less popular in Australia, Germany and Netherlands. The issue that is the biggest one for us is that dozens of Australians, Germans and Dutch people were killed when they shot down Malaysian Airlines MH17.

An accident is all well and good. But Pootin flatly denied having anything to do with it. I can assure you that the sentiment in Australia was palpable. The G20 was scheduled that year in Brisbane as well. There were calls to never let him in the country.

But not only did we let him in the country, but whilst he was on our soil, we had Australian and Russian warships playing war-games off the coast similar to what Greece and Turkey are doing. Australian PM, Trump, Japan, UK, France and many others refused to even acknowledge he was there and would not even greet him. It was so tense that a US Battle Group came to Australia to join our Navy. I Remember that after it was over, I was on Final Approach on rwy 19L and flew directly over the USN Aircraft carrier. The entire bay was full of USN Ships, and there were many ships in the Brisbane River including Australia's HMAS Adelaide. Amazing sight. Enough ships for WW3.

That was the real big one for Australia, and I would say it's the same for Malaysia, Germany and Holland.

There are of course some other issues - such as Crimea, and Syria. So we don't like him. It has a lot more to do with some Cold War hangover. We actually use to get along with him some 10 years ago.

I wouldn't say they consider Pootin an enemy. There are far bigger enemies to deal with and Pootin is way down the list - think Assad, Iran, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamaz, Taliban.

We don't like him, or trust him. We can never have great relations with Russia right now. not with Pootin there. But we won't have a war with him either, unless he invades some NATO countries which is unlikely he would dare.

Turkey is still a member of NATO, but the way things are going, if Greece doesn't back down, the only way Turkey can save face is to start a war. Turkey's objective is to get Greece to the table. They know that they always get some concessions and create a fate accompli. Greece isn't eager to go down that path. Which puts Turkey in a bad situation. they have to continue drilling and hope Greece doesn't retaliate. Either way, it doesn't look that great for Turkey. Greece hasn't played according to turkey's script. I am so glad that Greece has tried this different approach. But where it will lead to is anyone's guess. Erdowan, needs to save face and not be humiliated. how that can happen is unknown to me. They can't exactly attack Greece. He can continue drilling but that too is risky now.

Greece has managed to form alliances with Israel, Egypt, and France. All the Arab States are also on Greece's side - UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Oman. Turkey only has Qatar. And because of Turkey, Israel is starting to have a dialogue with these Gulf States as well.

So things are changing and I would say Greece has a slight upper hand as long as it does not cave in to the pressure of Merkel who seems to be sucking a lot of Turkish dick these days.

[Pyrpolizer]

The question was not why you don't like him, but why is Russia an enemy.
The current president of Israel (Netaniyahu) is a well known crook in his own country, probably worse than Erdogan, however no country defines it's relations with Israel depending on who the President of Israel is.

[Londonrake]

The question was not why you don't like him, but why is Russia an enemy.
The current president of Israel (Netaniyahu) is a well known crook in his own country, probably worse than Erdogan, however no country defines it's relations with Israel depending on who the President of Israel is.

Sorry, no disrespect meant but - obfuscating and distracting BS. The OP's about what's happened to Alexei Nalvany. I'd be interested in your view. Do you think, like GR, that it's all been a "publicity stunt" and "anti Russian theatrics"?

Please try to avoid straw man arguments like Israel.

[Get Real!]

Do you think, like GR, that it's all been a "publicity stunt" and "anti Russian theatrics"? Please try to avoid straw man arguments like Israel.

I agree 100% with Pyro.

That’s exactly what we think and you can’t convince us otherwise... we have been down this road before you know, so sorry mate!

But putting things into perspective, every year the American regime guns down some 30,000 of its own citizens yet you don’t seem to have a care about them!

You only seem to have time for the ONE Russian citizen once every few years, that *MAY* have been “poisoned” by the Russian government... even when this devious individual is a dodgy political candidate who stands to gain heaps from such publicity.

If you had an ounce of intellect you’d know that had the Russian secret service really wanted this individual gone he would be!

There would be no “travelling to Germany for a poisoning announcement that serves the West” and such theatrics, I assure you!

So start using that little pea under the scalp...