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[MR-from-NG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x6nYtn6xcM&feature=youtu.be

If that was true, Endorgan and his parrot would accept what everyone has been saying and sprint to resolve the differences in the Hague.....

Some interesting stuff was said by one panel member in particular. In fact as I understood it he was warned and accused of defending the actions of the Turks. Does he not say the Greeks should be told the truth? I know the "truth" in your dictionary has a different meaning.

[Paphitis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x6nYtn6xcM&feature=youtu.be

If that was true, Endorgan and his parrot would accept what everyone has been saying and sprint to resolve the differences in the Hague.....

Some interesting stuff was said by one panel member in particular. In fact as I understood it he was warned and accused of defending the actions of the Turks. Does he not say the Greeks should be told the truth? I know the "truth" in your dictionary has a different meaning.

I can tell you what the truth is according to the Australian Government who wrote me a nice letter yesterday.

They deemed Turkey’s actions to be against international law. They stated Australia supports a dialogue with the UN Convention LOS as the framework which means Turkey has no leg to stand on.

They also made it very clear to me that Australia does not recognise the tnucland, and they also stated that Australia will only ever recognize 1 authority on the island.

Want to see it?

[Maximus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x6nYtn6xcM&feature=youtu.be

If that was true, Endorgan and his parrot would accept what everyone has been saying and sprint to resolve the differences in the Hague.....

Some interesting stuff was said by one panel member in particular. In fact as I understood it he was warned and accused of defending the actions of the Turks. Does he not say the Greeks should be told the truth? I know the "truth" in your dictionary has a different meaning.

I can tell you what the Truth is,

The entire EU, the US, Russia and as far as Australia knows that Turkey is racking up human rights and international law violations. They all know that Turkey is violating Greek airspace and Greeces EEZ stipulated under UNCLOS. As well as Cyprus's.

The guy (one guy) you are referring to is nothing more than a pundit, a pseudo intellectual.

Unfortunately they exist and they misinform and misguide people.

However, what I said originally still stands. if you wanted to know the truth you would try to answer these simple questions.

If what this guy is saying is the truth, Why does Turkey want to negotiate without any preconditions (read that as, no legal framework involved). Why all the gunboat diplomacy by Turkey when Greece herself is saying that they should go to the Hague? Why does Turkey refuse then? What is the problem?

You dont have to tell us, just think about the answer for yourself because I suspect you are more motivated to peddle Turkey's agenda regardless.

But deep down inside, you know the truth and you just wont admit it. You prefer to live the lie and keep this Greek - Turkish BS going on.

[Paphitis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x6nYtn6xcM&feature=youtu.be

If that was true, Endorgan and his parrot would accept what everyone has been saying and sprint to resolve the differences in the Hague.....

Some interesting stuff was said by one panel member in particular. In fact as I understood it he was warned and accused of defending the actions of the Turks. Does he not say the Greeks should be told the truth? I know the "truth" in your dictionary has a different meaning.

I can tell you what the Truth is,

The entire EU, the US, Russia and as far as Australia knows that Turkey is racking up human rights and international law violations. They all know that Turkey is violating Greek airspace and Greeces EEZ stipulated under UNCLOS. As well as Cyprus's.

The guy (one guy) you are referring to is nothing more than a pundit, a pseudo intellectual.

Unfortunately they exist and they misinform and misguide people.

However, what I said originally still stands. if you wanted to know the truth you would try to answer these simple questions.

If what this guy is saying is the truth, Why does Turkey want to negotiate without any preconditions (read that as, no legal framework involved). Why all the gunboat diplomacy by Turkey when Greece herself is saying that they should go to the Hague? Why does Turkey refuse then? What is the problem?

You dont have to tell us, just think about the answer for yourself because I suspect you are more motivated to peddle Turkey's agenda regardless.

But deep down inside, you know the truth and you just wont admit it. You prefer to live the lie and keep this Greek - Turkish BS going on.

I was really amazed at the depth of knowledge of on of our Foreign Affairs advisors. I spoke to the young chap over the phone. I put things in writing and 2 weeks later, I got a response.

Yes they are completely aware that international law is being violated. They also said very clearly, that States like Turkey and Chy-na can’t make up their own rules or laws at the expense of other sovereign states by simply not recognising UNCLOS. He stated that UNCLOS is the barometric measure and no exceptions from this standard can be accepted or recognized.

It seems to be consistent with Australia’s actions in the South China Sea.

The other delusion the TCs seem to have is on their tnucland. The advisor told me there is no way Australia can ever do anything other than recognize 1 legal authority on the island. To do so is an unacceptable table and dangerous precedence in favour of invasion, colonisation and even ethnic cleansing. Such things can never be accepted in Crimea, or Georgia either.

You can’t get more of an official source than the letter I got. It’s very clear to me what Australia’s position is. I just wish countries are more pro-active with sanctions. The EU should be leading the charge.

[Maximus]

Turkey is an oriental despot,

The Turkish ministry of condemnation is now saying that the research vessels will return after a few weeks and they are determined as ever about their rights in the east med.

At the same time, they are saying that 90% of the problems can be resolved by revenue sharing. In other words, extortion and the illegal occupation and incursions of Cyprus and Greece is only 10% of the problem and not all of it.

In about a week, the formal council of ministers will be meeting in the EU and this is what I think the outcome will be.

Turkeys EU candidacy will be withdrawn, there will be sanctions of some kind, military cooperation will be withdrawn or restricted (no arms sales) and calls for dialogue to resolve issues.

Lets watch this space.

[Paphitis]

Turkey is an oriental despot,

The Turkish ministry of condemnation is now saying that the research vessels will return after a few weeks and they are determined as ever about their rights in the east med.

At the same time, they are saying that 90% of the problems can be resolved by revenue sharing. In other words, extortion and the illegal occupation and incursions of Cyprus and Greece is only 10% of the problem and not all of it.

In about a week, the formal council of ministers will be meeting in the EU and this is what I think the outcome will be.

Turkeys EU candidacy will be withdrawn, there will be sanctions of some kind, military cooperation will be withdrawn or restricted (no arms sales) and calls for dialogue to resolve issues.

Lets watch this space.

I hope so Max. I hope so.

Maybe that’s the reason Pompeo went to Nicosia. To tell Nick that if he passes the Belarus sanctions, the EU will also pass sanctions against Turkey.

Either way, Greece must NEVER back down. The Greek Military has to be prepared for war to defend its interests. But let Turkey make the first move. Or do a false flag.

Greek aircraft got shoot down another a Greek aircraft with the pilot ejecting. Then start launching missiles against Turkish military targets and Air Strikes in Turkey. Let’s see if those Mongols have balls.

[Maximus]

War is not the answer, but in self defence it is another matter.

War creates more, longer lasting problems.

Something the Turks haven't learnt yet but I dont fancy their chances much if it comes down to it.

Europe learnt this decades ago. This is why they have become soft because they created the European union and wrapped themselves in a bubble.

They need to learn now that the world outside isn't the EU and turkey was a Trojan horse in the making.

Turkey wont back down and the only holes she is creating are for herself and not in the med. The EU can win without fighting.

Turkey is like those toxic manipulative people that bring untold drama and problems in to your life when you associate with them. You have to identify and cut them out.

[Paphitis]

War is not the answer, but in self defence it is another matter.

War creates more, longer lasting problems.

Something the Turks haven't learnt yet but I dont fancy their chances much if it comes down to it.

Europe learnt this decades ago. This is why they have become soft because they created the European union and wrapped themselves in a bubble.

They need to learn now that the world outside isn't the EU and turkey was a Trojan horse in the making.

Turkey wont back down and the only holes she is creating are for herself and not in the med. The EU can win without fighting.

Turkey is like those toxic manipulative people that bring untold drama and problems in to your life when you associate with them. You have to identify and cut them out.

Problem is, Turkey IS preparing for war. If it isn’t this year or next, it will be just a case of them kicking the can down the road waiting for the perfect timing.

And not only that, they were even planning a false flag operation according to seized documents. They planned to shoot down their own F-16 and blame Greece so they can unleash their worst.

Be very vigilant Greece. Be very vigilant...

And knowing Turks, their limit is probably expendable like canon fodder. I equate this as murder. For me, the lives of Greek Pilots and soldiers is always of paramount importance.

Maybe a leaf out of Israel’s book is in order. It’s very clear to me that the diplomacy of the EU and Greece for the last 40 years is a failure and the actions of Turkey are a clear win win for Turkey every single time, we have ourselves to blame.

As far as I am concerned, Turkey is at its weakest now. Pakistani pilots will not be as eager to put everything on the line for another country like Turkish pilots would.

[Maximus]

If you want any more evidence that Turkey is being run by a despotic dictator, he it is.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said his party’s cause was one that would never end, in a speech he gave on Thursday at a meeting of his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

“The fight for a righteous cause continues to the grave, not the ballot. We are the party, government, and hope for the future.”

Justifying it like he has some kind of god given right and its all due to a fight against imaginary terrorists within and without.

But this one is a gem; an imaginary inversion narrative at its best.

“The AKP would continue to make our nation prosper even if Europe and the United States completely collapse with regards to democracy and economy,” Endorgan said.

But in reality, it is he who has collapsed Turkey's democracy and economy. Driving more and more of the populace in to unemployment, debt, prison and poverty.

https://ahvalnews.com/recep-tayyip-erdo ... _entity=en

I said it before, Turks wont get rid of this regime unless there is a civil war.

[Kikapu]

Erdogan calls it "Turkish Democracy".
Same as "Chinese Democracy, Russian Democracy, North Korean Democracy".