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[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, some of us wanted the end to our subjugation in Cyprus, the war stopped there with our Freedom.

...i recall the story of Grivas from his brother, how ''it'' began; retired, having returned home, shot at while in a radio shack by unruly British troops, dismissed by their commanding officer and ignored as a trivial complaint.

...imagine his disappointment, so much he admired the British, and their discipline. But this was not it in Cyprus, he felt humiliated, and so the big idea started, the guerrilla war, open season anywhere on British uniforms.

...i remember that family well, how EOKAB tore that family apart, how they stick together, and beyond '74 how that worked out; "being" Cypriot in a "Greek" world is not easy, ("being" a Cypriot in a "Turkish" world is that much harder).

What's done is done.

Cypriots must identify that "this" must stop. Cypriots must identify themselves as Cypriot (first), Turkish or Greek; no "Greek", no "Turk". Cypriots are the vanguard, as they have always been, facilitators of exchange, socialised, and great cooperators; we are an ethnos, we are Greek speaking, and Turkish, Arabic and Latin, (and yes, English) as roots, too: the crossroad to three continents, (and all the world's religions); it is no wonder that it is the interest of so many interlocutors, tiny as it is. To win, we may even have to fight those not Cypriot, for what is Cypriot.

"(h)Asiktir Turkiye" does anyone remember? Today would you join these Cypriots, the very vanguard, there in the occupied territories, as Cypriots, standing together under the Cypriot Flag, the Flag of Cyprus?

(i have asked this question before.)

What message does that send to Erdogan, if we stand united; if there ever was a single person for all Cypriots to focus upon as the Problem?

The People, people as People, as Cypriots, by making this clear, we are a People; Erdogan has what he wants, Cyprus an ally, Cypriots respected, recognised worthily, something he can emulate in Turkey, having, itself, Constituencies.

[Maximus]

Max, can you explain why you edited your post? Are you man enough, honest enough to edit it back to its original wording please? The original of your post would've proven my point without doubt.

I edit my posts because I add stuff or word stuff better or take stuff away,

I dont know what you are talking about.

You dont make any points.

[Maximus]

Erolz,

You write a lot and yes, I cant keep up either to address all the things you write about.

Simple works best.

Sorry, you are displaying double standards.

The "TRNC" must be dismantled, then those that have legitimate right can choose to live in a Cypriot state in Cyprus or they will have to return back to Turkey.

I reckon, given the choice between a democratic EU Cyprus with majority GC or Turkey with majority Turks, most TC's would choose the latter. It shows and I think that is the point. People can choose and follow the path of least conflict and resistance.

[erolz66]

I reckon, given the choice between a democratic EU Cyprus with majority GC or Turkey with majority Turks, most TC's would choose the latter.

I think the chances of a majority of TC wanting and supporting reunification without any ethnic based provisions is lower in a Cyprus where a majority of GC choose to believe that TC are not an essential part of what makes us Cypriot but rather some element foreign to Cypriotness to be tolerated than in one where they choose to believe TC are an essential part of what makes us Cypriot.

Simple enough for you ?

Which do you choose to believe Max ? Can you really not see how choosing the former only decreases the chance of us finding a way of reaching the goal of a unified Cyprus without ethnic exceptions where it genuinely does not matter if you are GC or TC ? n

To me to claim you want unification whilst choosing to believe the former is the ultimate in double standards.

[Maximus]

Yes, its simple enough,

You try and try and try and try to create something that is elusive or seems unnatural.

I choose to believe that the problem is insurmountable for as long as the "TRNC" exists, and Turkey and the TC's maintain their unrealistic demands and expectations on the rest. You are not going to get anywhere undermining the RoC and taking an antagonistic adversarial approach with Turkey's support.

[erolz66]

You try and try and try and try to create something that is elusive or seems unnatural.

You think the idea that what makes us unique as Cypriots rather than just Turks or Greeks is that we have elements of both in us, is 'unnatural' ?

I choose to believe that the problem is insurmountable for as long as the "TRNC" exists, and Turkey and the TC's maintain their unrealistic demands and expectations on the rest.

So why was the problem not 'surmounted' BEFORE the TRNC existed ?

[Maximus]

The problem always existed Erolz,

The "TRNC" is the result of it and even because of it, the problem hasn't gone away.

[Maximus]

Just to add to my previous comment,

All of Cyprus was a "TRNC" once, and Cypriots were not treated equally.

Think about it.!

[repulsewarrior]

We can only fight against "Turkishness" united, as Cypriots. It matters very little what the Leadership says, or does, it is what is in your(our) heart(s) that matters.

People, the People, matter.

...if Cypriots cannot (read: will not) stand together, as Cypriots, what is a Cypriot?

And for Cyprus, a Cyprus where Cypriots live, what can any one do, but "be" Cypriot.

Who cannot stand, under the Flag of Cyprus?

...ask yourself.

(disappointed i am, i thought by now, such a notion, "being" a Cypriot, was a 'no brainer'.)

[Londonrake]

Well, NOW we've got a party!

https://knews.kathimerini.com.cy/en/new ... gt_Uj49oqA

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