Cyprus-Forum.com

[Get Real!]

These days, countries like France and Britain have the technology to observe the Turkish skipper picking his nose from space, and grandpa here is wondering how they’re gonna hit the right target!

[Londonrake]

These days, countries like France and Britain have the technology to observe the Turkish skipper picking his nose from space, and grandpa here is wondering how they’re gonna hit the right target!

No, they don’t. And, I’m not “Wondering” how you hit the right target. Hitting one’s the easier bit. Identifying one correctly’s a tad more difficult. Even with synthetic aperture or pulse compression radar, unless you can tie it in with a positive ESM ident (radar intercept specific to ship type) and fix, or of course visual confirmation, it still comes down to informed guess work.

Cheers there, anyway.

[Get Real!]

These days, countries like France and Britain have the technology to observe the Turkish skipper picking his nose from space, and grandpa here is wondering how they’re gonna hit the right target!

No, they don’t. And, I’m not “Wondering” how you hit the right target. Hitting one’s the easier bit. Identifying one correctly’s a tad more difficult. Even with synthetic aperture or pulse compression radar, unless you can tie it in with a positive ESM ident (radar intercept specific to ship type) and fix, or of course visual confirmation, it still comes down to informed guess work.

Cheers there, anyway.

Hello? Ever heard of global positioning systems, ever heard of call signs, ever heard of the myriads of technologies used for target identification and acquisition?

The likes of Britain or France could turn Turkey’s 50 odd naval ships into coral reefs within a week if they wanted to…

Idiotic Erdo doesn’t seem to understand that they’re like two leagues above him in technology!

[Kikapu]

I said British 4 ships were destroyed by Exocet missiles, regardless whether they were military or merchant ships or whether the missiles exploded or not, but because of the Exocets, the fires started. Point is, the missiles struck the ships from a great distance. Even an American naval ship was hit by an Exocet missile in the gulf during Iran-Iraq war in the 80’s.

4 British ships weren’t destroyed by Exocets in 1982.

The point is - and somehow Get Pissed! seems to believe this has a tie-in with my being a “Grandpa” - Atlantic Conveyer was misidentified. That, from a range of 30nm. You need to know what you’re shooting at, it isn’t quite as easy as just lobbing a missile at a radar contact 100nm away.

Yes, the USS Stark was attacked in the Gulf by an Iraqi aircraft during 1987 (they were supposed to be allies FWIW). The pilot misidentified (get it?) the ship, thinking it was Iranian. The Stark limped back to Bahrain but 37 men died. One of the Exocets again didn’t detonate.

I am not contradicting you, LR. All I’m saying is that the technology on the Exocet missiles is 30+ years advanced from the 80s and that they will hit the ships in the vicinity they are sent to and more that likely will explode now. If there are 5 ships in the area and 5 Exocet missiles are fired at them from a distance, some ships are going to be hit, either just once or multiple times. Merchant ships sailing along military ships will too become a targets. How can they not be?

[Get Real!]

I said British 4 ships were destroyed by Exocet missiles, regardless whether they were military or merchant ships or whether the missiles exploded or not, but because of the Exocets, the fires started. Point is, the missiles struck the ships from a great distance. Even an American naval ship was hit by an Exocet missile in the gulf during Iran-Iraq war in the 80’s.

4 British ships weren’t destroyed by Exocets in 1982.

The point is - and somehow Get Pissed! seems to believe this has a tie-in with my being a “Grandpa” - Atlantic Conveyer was misidentified. That, from a range of 30nm. You need to know what you’re shooting at, it isn’t quite as easy as just lobbing a missile at a radar contact 100nm away.

Yes, the USS Stark was attacked in the Gulf by an Iraqi aircraft during 1987 (they were supposed to be allies FWIW). The pilot misidentified (get it?) the ship, thinking it was Iranian. The Stark limped back to Bahrain but 37 men died. One of the Exocets again didn’t detonate.

I am not contradicting you, LR. All I’m saying is that the technology on the Exocet missiles is 30+ years advanced from the 80s and that they will hit the ships in the vicinity they are sent to and more that likely will explode now. If there are 5 ships in the area and 5 Exocet missiles are fired at them from a distance, some ships are going to be it, either just once or multiple times. Merchant ships sailing along military ships will too become a targets. How can they not be?

Kikakopoulos is correct... the Exocet is the world’s most renowned and feared anti-ship missile, and one should not judge it by the blunders in the hands of 3rd world idiotic Argentineans!

The French can always show you how it can be delivered with 100% lethality if you've got a ship to spare...

[Maximus]

An American B-52 stratofortress bomber was flying over 30 NATO allied countries countries on Friday. An activity called allied skies which is a show NATO's solidarity for allied countries amid rising tensions.

citing an announcement from the Hellenic National Defence General Staff (Geetha) Athens had warned of possible Turkish provocative actions during the exercise.

“Despite the agreements and the relevant assurances, when the B-52 entered the Athens FIR, the Turkish fighters, displaying particularly provocative, unethical, anti-allied and anti-diametrically opposed behaviour from the purpose of the activity, flew near the American fighter, which was being greeted by a Greek quartet of F-16s,”

It added that two other units had been on standby in the area for this reason, recognised, intercepted and expelled the Turkish fighters from the Athens FIR.

And this is a NATO ally yeah?

[Londonrake]

Well, you’re both really missing my point. Kicks original suggestion, that the French would loose of a horde of missiles from 100 miles away and toast the Turks is - frankly - bollocks. And not just because - sorry boys - the French aren’t about to spend blood and treasure going to war against Turkey.They’ve got far too many other problems presently. Macron, like so many of his ancestors, loves to display his Napoleonic side though. For show (PR) of course.

Anyway, to pass the time. For starters - I say again, I say again - how do they know what they’re firing at? That’s the tricky part.

As far as the Exocet’s concerned, even with updates/mods it’s dated tech. Well, just like me apparently. It’s main claim to fame seems to be that on every occasion it’s been employed during combat ops it’s show a propensity to not detonate. Three quarters of them actually. That’s not to say one isn’t wary of being attacked of course.

“Most renowned (see above) and feared”? I don’t think so. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... anet-77866

Also, let’s not ignore the fact that SSM ship defences have evolved in leaps and bounds over the past 4 decades, as well. It’s quite hard to get a ball in the back of the net of a ship on alert nowadays.

[Get Real!]

How do you say “Oh shit!” …in Turkish?

[Londonrake]

Hello? Ever heard of global positioning systems, ever heard of call signs, ever heard of the myriads of technologies used for target identification and acquisition?

The likes of Britain or France could turn Turkey’s 50 odd naval ships into coral reefs within a week if they wanted to…

Idiotic Erdo doesn’t seem to understand that they’re like two leagues above him in technology!

You’re just spouting stuff. Sound bites. Actually, you’ve no idea what you’re talking about in the context of maritime conflict.

Yes, the UK and France could probably give Turkey a run for it’s money. Especially at sea. But it wouldn’t just be at sea - would it? Let me ask you - seriously - do you really think either of them has any interest at all in a war with Turkey? As if life wasn’t difficult enough right now.

You perhaps mistake my views as a defence of Erdogan? I despise dictators and wish him all the best............ ending that is.

Nevertheless, it doesn’t alter the realities of naval warfare.

Plus of course, there you are, living up to your (new) name.

[Get Real!]

Hello? Ever heard of global positioning systems, ever heard of call signs, ever heard of the myriads of technologies used for target identification and acquisition?

The likes of Britain or France could turn Turkey’s 50 odd naval ships into coral reefs within a week if they wanted to…

Idiotic Erdo doesn’t seem to understand that they’re like two leagues above him in technology!

You’re just spouting stuff. Sound bites. Actually, you’ve no idea what you’re talking about in the context of maritime conflict.

Well the next time you’re in Old Blighty, go to Portsmouth and take a free public tour of one of their ships and ask them to take you through their radar and target acquisition systems.

You’ll be pleasantly surprised to learn they’re not the least bit concerned about merchant ships getting in their way!