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[Kikapu]

The acquisition of Rafale, and F-16V can be a good game changer for Greece.

And the Rafale can be operational much quicker than any acquisition of F-35s which will take 5 years. Still, time for some forward planning.

However, if there is going to be a war soon, the Rafale is a much better choice which gives Greece the upper hand sooner.

Same with the F-16V.

It’s now time for the Greek Government to hand over full discretion to its military commanders.

Is Chorus ready yet for the inevitable? Preparations should have commenced weeks ago. Is there any acknowledgement at all of the risks to Cyprus? If a war starts between Greece and Cyprus then its unchartered waters. No one can be sure how the cooks will crumble. Cyprus must be preparing itself for the absolute worse case scenario. The worst case scenario is for an Atilla 3 into the free areas. Is the CNG ready?

I ask these questions because I do not hear anything from Cyprus itself. It’s best to be ready and hope for the best.

I hear plenty coming from agree e which is a welcome change over the politics of the past. I have never seen Greece so determined before. For that I must thank Mitsotakis.

Cyprus on the other hand must presume it will be all alone to fend for itself.

The good thing for Greece getting the French fighter jets is that it will come with no strings attached against Turkey, as long as they are not used against France and her interests. American fighter jets would come with lots of strings attached, especially the F-35’s. Secondly, it will confuse the Turks not knowing if they are defending against Greece or France as the Turks do not want to engage the French.

[Paphitis]

The acquisition of Rafale, and F-16V can be a good game changer for Greece.

And the Rafale can be operational much quicker than any acquisition of F-35s which will take 5 years. Still, time for some forward planning.

However, if there is going to be a war soon, the Rafale is a much better choice which gives Greece the upper hand sooner.

Same with the F-16V.

It’s now time for the Greek Government to hand over full discretion to its military commanders.

Is Chorus ready yet for the inevitable? Preparations should have commenced weeks ago. Is there any acknowledgement at all of the risks to Cyprus? If a war starts between Greece and Cyprus then its unchartered waters. No one can be sure how the cooks will crumble. Cyprus must be preparing itself for the absolute worse case scenario. The worst case scenario is for an Atilla 3 into the free areas. Is the CNG ready?

I ask these questions because I do not hear anything from Cyprus itself. It’s best to be ready and hope for the best.

I hear plenty coming from agree e which is a welcome change over the politics of the past. I have never seen Greece so determined before. For that I must thank Mitsotakis.

Cyprus on the other hand must presume it will be all alone to fend for itself.

The good thing for Greece getting the French fighter jets is that it will come with no strings attached against Turkey, as long as they are not used against France and her interests. American fighter jets would come with lots of strings attached, especially the F-35’s. Secondly, it will confuse the Turks not knowing if they are defending against Greece or France as the Turks do not want to engage the French.

Greece can use them to defend itself. The use F-16s

The Americans are just cautious about the F-35 going near S-400 sites. For security reasons.

But F-35s do t need to go close to S-400.

I’m hoping Greece gets the F-35 Eventually. But the Rafale is the smart choice because I can see a war brewing very quickly.

The S-400s Turkey has are looking very vulnerable now.

[Kikapu]

I suppose Turkey might have a legitimate reason for the problems we're seeing today. Some Greek islands the size of a football field seem to have more eez than Turkey. Who the fuck would stand for that? RTE is hell bent on resolving this injustice and if I was Greek or GC I'd be worried, I'd be very worried.

If we are just talking about the small island Kastellorizo which is just a stone throw away from Kas in Turkey, then most would agree with Turkey’s claims and Greece would more than likely not claim this island having an EEZ continental shelf so not to increase it’s claim of more EEZ territory and for Turkey to have less. But Turkey’s argument about this island is just a “red herring”, which is why Greece is not about to give up her claims. By Greece accepting giving Turkey what it wants, basically will become an “open season” on all the islands regardless of their size in the Med, as Turkey already claims that they are not entitled to any continental shelves. For this reason alone, the war may break out, not about one insignificant island all by itself, but for all the islands, including Cyprus, Crete and Rhodes which are much much larger than the island of Kastellorizo island.

[Kikapu]

The acquisition of Rafale, and F-16V can be a good game changer for Greece.

And the Rafale can be operational much quicker than any acquisition of F-35s which will take 5 years. Still, time for some forward planning.

However, if there is going to be a war soon, the Rafale is a much better choice which gives Greece the upper hand sooner.

Same with the F-16V.

It’s now time for the Greek Government to hand over full discretion to its military commanders.

Is Chorus ready yet for the inevitable? Preparations should have commenced weeks ago. Is there any acknowledgement at all of the risks to Cyprus? If a war starts between Greece and Cyprus then its unchartered waters. No one can be sure how the cooks will crumble. Cyprus must be preparing itself for the absolute worse case scenario. The worst case scenario is for an Atilla 3 into the free areas. Is the CNG ready?

I ask these questions because I do not hear anything from Cyprus itself. It’s best to be ready and hope for the best.

I hear plenty coming from agree e which is a welcome change over the politics of the past. I have never seen Greece so determined before. For that I must thank Mitsotakis.

Cyprus on the other hand must presume it will be all alone to fend for itself.

The good thing for Greece getting the French fighter jets is that it will come with no strings attached against Turkey, as long as they are not used against France and her interests. American fighter jets would come with lots of strings attached, especially the F-35’s. Secondly, it will confuse the Turks not knowing if they are defending against Greece or France as the Turks do not want to engage the French.

Greece can use them to defend itself. The use F-16s

The Americans are just cautious about the F-35 going near S-400 sites. For security reasons.

But F-35s do t need to go close to S-400.

I’m hoping Greece gets the F-35 Eventually. But the Rafale is the smart choice because I can see a war brewing very quickly.

The S-400s Turkey has are looking very vulnerable now.

If war to break out, it would be limited to the Med and not to the main lands of Greece or Turkey. At the moment, the S-400 are deployed in Ankara, but of course, they can be placed along Turkey’s southern coast, assuming the Turks are trained how to use it yet. Once the French get involved, all they have to do is fire the Exocet missiles from 100 miles away from their target, which would be the ships. It will be game over for the Turkish ships. Even Argentina destroyed 4 British ships during the Falkland war in the 80’s with old French technology Exocet missiles. 30+ years forward, the new technology Exocet missiles will do a great deal of damage in the Med.

[Londonrake]

Cough, cough.

I’m sure you will find that only HMS Sheffield was struck by an Exocet. That didn’t actually explode, it was the resultant fire which led to the crew abandoning her. Afterwards the hulk was taken in tow but flooding meant they had to cut her loose to sink.

The only other Exocet attack was when 2 missiles were fired at what was taken as an aircraft carrier on radar (there’s a fundamental problem with your idea). In fact, it was the merchant ship Atlantic Conveyor. Once again, neither missile exploded but unburnt fuel started a fire. After being taken in tow it was decided, because of the danger from fire to the large amount of combustibles in the cargo, to cut loose and sink her.

The other RN ships that went down during the Falklands were as a result of bombing.

You can’t just fire an anti-ship missile Willy-nilly. You have to be reasonably certain of your target. You’d be surprised how many ships are bobbing around out there and what you think is military could well turn out to actually be something entirely different.

[Get Real!]

You can’t just fire an anti-ship missile Willy-nilly. You have to be reasonably certain of your target. You’d be surprised how many ships are bobbing around out there and what you think is military could well turn out to actually be something entirely different.

Hey grandpa, do you know what year this is?

[Paphitis]

The acquisition of Rafale, and F-16V can be a good game changer for Greece.

And the Rafale can be operational much quicker than any acquisition of F-35s which will take 5 years. Still, time for some forward planning.

However, if there is going to be a war soon, the Rafale is a much better choice which gives Greece the upper hand sooner.

Same with the F-16V.

It’s now time for the Greek Government to hand over full discretion to its military commanders.

Is Chorus ready yet for the inevitable? Preparations should have commenced weeks ago. Is there any acknowledgement at all of the risks to Cyprus? If a war starts between Greece and Cyprus then its unchartered waters. No one can be sure how the cooks will crumble. Cyprus must be preparing itself for the absolute worse case scenario. The worst case scenario is for an Atilla 3 into the free areas. Is the CNG ready?

I ask these questions because I do not hear anything from Cyprus itself. It’s best to be ready and hope for the best.

I hear plenty coming from agree e which is a welcome change over the politics of the past. I have never seen Greece so determined before. For that I must thank Mitsotakis.

Cyprus on the other hand must presume it will be all alone to fend for itself.

The good thing for Greece getting the French fighter jets is that it will come with no strings attached against Turkey, as long as they are not used against France and her interests. American fighter jets would come with lots of strings attached, especially the F-35’s. Secondly, it will confuse the Turks not knowing if they are defending against Greece or France as the Turks do not want to engage the French.

Greece can use them to defend itself. The use F-16s

The Americans are just cautious about the F-35 going near S-400 sites. For security reasons.

But F-35s do t need to go close to S-400.

I’m hoping Greece gets the F-35 Eventually. But the Rafale is the smart choice because I can see a war brewing very quickly.

The S-400s Turkey has are looking very vulnerable now.

If war to break out, it would be limited to the Med and not to the main lands of Greece or Turkey. At the moment, the S-400 are deployed in Ankara, but of course, they can be placed along Turkey’s southern coast, assuming the Turks are trained how to use it yet. Once the French get involved, all they have to do is fire the Exocet missiles from 100 miles away from their target, which would be the ships. It will be game over for the Turkish ships. Even Argentina destroyed 4 British ships during the Falkland war in the 80’s with old French technology Exocet missiles. 30+ years forward, the new technology Exocet missiles will do a great deal of damage in the Med.

Greece has the Harpoon and Penguin SSM as well as Exocets.

So Greece doesn’t even need to rely on France but of course any French involvement would be greatly appreciated.

[Londonrake]

You can’t just fire an anti-ship missile Willy-nilly. You have to be reasonably certain of your target. You’d be surprised how many ships are bobbing around out there and what you think is military could well turn out to actually be something entirely different.

Hey grandpa, do you know what year this is?

So, how does that work? Acquiring a seaborne target from the air at a range of 100nml and identifying it positively in accordance with your attack criteria.

Or, maybe just adopting the “What the Hell” cowboy tactic (It’s OK apparently if you have the word “resurgent” before your country’s name) and risk taking out a civilian ship.

Perhaps though, I can put that into the sort of “discussion” language more familiar to someone of your intellect. “You can piss off”.

I’m gonna call you “Get pissed!”. Far more befitting.

[Kikapu]

Cough, cough.

I’m sure you will find that only HMS Sheffield was struck by an Exocet. That didn’t actually explode, it was the resultant fire which led to the crew abandoning her. Afterwards the hulk was taken in tow but flooding meant they had to cut her loose to sink.

The only other Exocet attack was when 2 missiles were fired at what was taken as an aircraft carrier on radar (there’s a fundamental problem with your idea). In fact, it was the merchant ship Atlantic Conveyor. Once again, neither missile exploded but unburnt fuel started a fire. After being taken in tow it was decided, because of the danger from fire to the large amount of combustibles in the cargo, to cut loose and sink her.

The other RN ships that went down during the Falklands were as a result of bombing.

You can’t just fire an anti-ship missile Willy-nilly. You have to be reasonably certain of your target. You’d be surprised how many ships are bobbing around out there and what you think is military could well turn out to actually be something entirely different.

I said British 4 ships were destroyed by Exocet missiles, regardless whether they were military or merchant ships or whether the missiles exploded or not, but because of the Exocets, the fires started. Point is, the missiles struck the ships from a great distance. Even an American naval ship was hit by an Exocet missile in the gulf during Iran-Iraq war in the 80’s.

[Londonrake]

I said British 4 ships were destroyed by Exocet missiles, regardless whether they were military or merchant ships or whether the missiles exploded or not, but because of the Exocets, the fires started. Point is, the missiles struck the ships from a great distance. Even an American naval ship was hit by an Exocet missile in the gulf during Iran-Iraq war in the 80’s.

4 British ships weren’t destroyed by Exocets in 1982.

The point is - and somehow Get Pissed! seems to believe this has a tie-in with my being a “Grandpa” - Atlantic Conveyer was misidentified. That, from a range of 30nm. You need to know what you’re shooting at, it isn’t quite as easy as just lobbing a missile at a radar contact 100nm away.

Yes, the USS Stark was attacked in the Gulf by an Iraqi aircraft during 1987 (they were supposed to be allies FWIW). The pilot misidentified (get it?) the ship, thinking it was Iranian. The Stark limped back to Bahrain but 37 men died. One of the Exocets again didn’t detonate.