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[Paphitis]

Social media is buzzing with reports that Greece has ordered 18 Rafale.

10 will be the latest F3C variants, and 8 older French Aircraft.

Greece has to pay for the 10 new aircraftraft, but France is donating the other 8.

Thank you France.

The French Frigates in quezon are the new Belharra Frigates worry 750 million euros each.

[Paphitis]

...you guys talk of the confrontation in the air, or at sea.

Turkey's greatest strength militarily is her Army.

...Greece's greatest threat comes through the Balkans, in that regard.

Turkey’s Army is no threat as you seem to think because Greece and Turkey only have a small border with a river between them. So very difficult for Turkey to cross over through the limited bridges, and roads which would be heavily defended by tens of thousands Greek Troops and with Greek Air Support which I believe is far superior to Turkish Air Support.

Turkey really doesn’t have a lot going for it.

I have said it before and I will say it again. Greece shouldn’t be afraid. Greece can really defeat Turkey. I’m not just saying this. I am basing my assessment on a purely scientific and technical basis.

In my opinion, Greece has no choice but to prepare for war. If it doesn’t, then be prepared for Greece and Cyprus to lose all their EEZ claims and Our defeat by default.

Choice therefore is fight, or lose!

[Maximus]

...you guys talk of the confrontation in the air, or at sea.

Turkey's greatest strength militarily is her Army.

...Greece's greatest threat comes through the Balkans, in that regard.

Turkey’s Army is no threat as you seem to think because Greece and Turkey only have a small border with a river between them. So very difficult for Turkey to cross over through the limited bridges, and roads which would be heavily defended by tens of thousands Greek Troops and with Greek Sir Support which I believe is far superior to Turkish Air Support.

Turkey really doesn’t have a lot going for it.

Yeah they will be funneled, 300 "Spartans" can take care of that.

[Paphitis]

...you guys talk of the confrontation in the air, or at sea.

Turkey's greatest strength militarily is her Army.

...Greece's greatest threat comes through the Balkans, in that regard.

Turkey’s Army is no threat as you seem to think because Greece and Turkey only have a small border with a river between them. So very difficult for Turkey to cross over through the limited bridges, and roads which would be heavily defended by tens of thousands Greek Troops and with Greek Sir Support which I believe is far superior to Turkish Air Support.

Turkey really doesn’t have a lot going for it.

Yeah they will be funneled, 300 "Spartans" can take care of that.

Hit the nail right on the head.

The Greek Army will have the upper hand in Thrace. Exactly like the 300 Spartans.

The only way the Turks can cause damage is if they go through Bulgaria and outflank the Greek Army but that’s would bring Bulgaria into the war. Plus it’s mountainous there as well so might not be possible.

[Kikapu]

Neither Turkey nor Greece dares to fire the first shot as it will invoke Article 5 of NATO treaty, which would mean, the one who attacks first is the one who will have NATO against her. The French might attack from a distance with her Exocet missiles sinking couple of Turkish frigates claiming in “self defense” which nothing would happen to France from the rest of NATO just because it was in “self defense”.

[Maximus]

Neither Turkey nor Greece dares to fire the first shot as it will invoke Article 5 of NATO treaty, which would mean, the one who attacks first is the one who will have NATO against her. The French might attack from a distance with her Exocet missiles sinking couple of Turkish frigates claiming in “self defense” which nothing would happen to France from the rest of NATO just because it was in “self defense”.

Turkish navy commanders have been given the discretion to respond to harassment in the east med without Ankara's approval.

https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-greece/war ... ead-report

[Kikapu]

Neither Turkey nor Greece dares to fire the first shot as it will invoke Article 5 of NATO treaty, which would mean, the one who attacks first is the one who will have NATO against her. The French might attack from a distance with her Exocet missiles sinking couple of Turkish frigates claiming in “self defense” which nothing would happen to France from the rest of NATO just because it was in “self defense”.

Turkish navy commanders have been given the discretion to respond to harassment in the east med without Ankara's approval.

https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-greece/war ... ead-report

Greece and France can only dream Turkish commanders firing on another NATO member‘s ships and planes and hitting it.

[Paphitis]

Neither Turkey nor Greece dares to fire the first shot as it will invoke Article 5 of NATO treaty, which would mean, the one who attacks first is the one who will have NATO against her. The French might attack from a distance with her Exocet missiles sinking couple of Turkish frigates claiming in “self defense” which nothing would happen to France from the rest of NATO just because it was in “self defense”.

If Turkey don't fire the first shot, then Greece must provoke them so badly for force Turkey's hand. If they don't, then Greece should be happy to make the first shots and NATO will not invoke anything against Greece, as the aggressor is the country that is illegally drilling in the EEZ and the one violating Greek Airspace.

When France is right behind Greece, then NATO won't do anything. NATO = France.

[Paphitis]

The acquisition of Rafale, and F-16V can be a good game changer for Greece.

And the Rafale can be operational much quicker than any acquisition of F-35s which will take 5 years. Still, time for some forward planning.

However, if there is going to be a war soon, the Rafale is a much better choice which gives Greece the upper hand sooner.

Same with the F-16V.

It’s now time for the Greek Government to hand over full discretion to its military commanders.

Is Chorus ready yet for the inevitable? Preparations should have commenced weeks ago. Is there any acknowledgement at all of the risks to Cyprus? If a war starts between Greece and Cyprus then its unchartered waters. No one can be sure how the cooks will crumble. Cyprus must be preparing itself for the absolute worse case scenario. The worst case scenario is for an Atilla 3 into the free areas. Is the CNG ready?

I ask these questions because I do not hear anything from Cyprus itself. It’s best to be ready and hope for the best.

I hear plenty coming from agree e which is a welcome change over the politics of the past. I have never seen Greece so determined before. For that I must thank Mitsotakis.

Cyprus on the other hand must presume it will be all alone to fend for itself.

[Kikapu]

Neither Turkey nor Greece dares to fire the first shot as it will invoke Article 5 of NATO treaty, which would mean, the one who attacks first is the one who will have NATO against her. The French might attack from a distance with her Exocet missiles sinking couple of Turkish frigates claiming in “self defense” which nothing would happen to France from the rest of NATO just because it was in “self defense”.

If Turkey don't fire the first shot, then Greece must provoke them so badly for force Turkey's hand. If they don't, then Greece should be happy to make the first shots and NATO will not invoke anything against Greece, as the aggressor is the country that is illegally drilling in the EEZ and the one violating Greek Airspace.

When France is right behind Greece, then NATO won't do anything. NATO = France.

The first thing that needs to happen for Greece to defend her EEZ, is to offer to settle the matter with Turkey at the International Court of Justice and not by mediation by another country. Once the ICJ backs up Greece’s claims or Turkey refuses to go to the ICJ, then Greece legally can defend her recognized EEZ and then NATO will be on her side. NATO is looking for reasons to kick Turkey out of the alliance anyway as they have become too unpredictable and undemocratic. Turkey buying the Russian S400 has not made her place in NATO acceptable. France standing by Greece to engage Turkey should the Turks take the bait may well be much larger plan on Turkey by NATO and regional actors like Israel and Egypt than we know. One thing for sure, Turkey is on her own at the moment and all her grandstanding of her so called military might well be her downfall when the shit hits the fan. Erdogan’s bravado BS talking can only make things worse for the Turks.