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[Maximus]

The informal meeting of the European council of foreign ministers have concluded.

Merkel said that EU members states are obliged to support Greece and Greece's sovereignty. (Yeah, what about Cyprus?)

Germany's foreign minister tried to embark on a mediation mission with the aim of resolving the issue with dialogue. Which was doomed to fail from the onset and I think he has finally realized that now. He failed to persuade Turkey to change its approach to tensions in the eastern med. Following his meeting with Turkeys foreign minister, Casagoglu took the opportunity during the joint press release to start lashing out at Greece. Apparently, Germany's foreign minister was left standing there in despair and unable to comprehend Casagoglu's and Turkeys position. I can imagine the amount of BS and propaganda that was probably coming out of his mouth.

The council of foreign ministers are now in full agreement, they are going to proceed with sanctions.

The range of options will be drafted up and discussed at the next formal EU summit in September.

Borrel was quoted as saying that relations between the EU and Turkey are "more than strained". The EU calls on Turkey to refrain from all unilateral illegal activities in the eastern med sea.

[Paphitis]

The informal meeting of the European council of foreign ministers have concluded.

Merkel said that EU members states are obliged to support Greece and Greece's sovereignty. (Yeah, what about Cyprus?)

Germany's foreign minister tried to embark on a mediation mission with the aim of resolving the issue with dialogue. Which was doomed to fail from the onset and I think he has finally realized that now. He failed to persuade Turkey to change its approach to tensions in the eastern med. Following his meeting with Turkeys foreign minister, Casagoglu took the opportunity during the joint press release to start lashing out at Greece. Apparently, Germany's foreign minister was left standing there in despair and unable to comprehend Casagoglu's and Turkeys position. I can imagine the amount of BS and propaganda that was probably coming out of his mouth.

The council of foreign ministers are now in full agreement, they are going to proceed with sanctions.

The range of options will be drafted up and discussed at the next formal EU summit in September.

Borrel was quoted as saying that relations between the EU and Turkey are "more than strained". The EU calls on Turkey to refrain from all unilateral illegal activities in the eastern med sea.

This is encouraging if it’s actually true. Usually, Germany usually side with Turkey,

Last time there was a vote in the EU for sanctions against Turkey, Germany, Bulgaria, Malta, Italy and Hungary vetoed the motion. I was surprised at Bulgaria, Malta and Italy doing this.

If they have come to understand there is no chance of a sensible dialogue with Turkey, then I welcome it.

Germany is correct. The EU is obligated to side with Greece. To not side with Greece to a gross betrayal against the EU and will be it’s terminal end. Sanctions are necessary. Military cooperation with Greece is also necessary.

Every person of Greek heritage must write to their MP and FA Minister in the US, Canada, Australia and UK. Flood them with letters and emails. But be very polite, respectful and diplomatic about it or don’t write at all. No passion. Just a very eloquent and humble approach with the utmost of respect to the office you are writing to otherwise it does no good.

I am so glad the Germans are seeing the real belligerent in action.

[Paphitis]

I think it’s now time for Mossad to assassinate Erdowan. How hard could it really be for an organisation like Mossad which was able to head hunt the biggest NAZIs from the 4 corners of the globe with such clinical and expert precision?

[Get Real!]

I think it’s now time for Mossad to assassinate Erdowan. How hard could it really be for an organisation like Mossad which was able to head hunt the biggest NAZIs from the 4 corners of the globe with such clinical and expert precision?

America fears Russia militarily and China financially, so their priorities are way different to ours here in Cyprus.

The US considers Turkey a containment of Russia in the Black sea and a base from which they can spy on Russia.

So ErdoCunt has gotten away with much... and while Israel is important to the US, it is of secondary importance compared to the containment/confrontation of Russia.

So for as long as America perceives Turkey as a southern barrier to Russia, Erdo will be getting away with… well pretty much anything!

And the fact that Erdo shot down a Russian jet a couple of years ago and Putin did not respond… has only strengthened this US perception.

So, it’s up to Turkey’s opponents to sway American opinion in a different direction, if the US is to start treating Turkey differently… but unfortunately neither Greece nor Cyprus has ever produced a politician capable of convincing an ant to change course, let alone America.

Unfortunately, we are stuck in limbo and only drastic action (ie: war) can dislodge this horrible catch-22.

[Maximus]

Turkey is not the regional power, she is wailing and thrashing now because she is fighting with and doesnt want to come to terms with reality.

One misstep will trigger a sequence of events that will decimate Turkey's economy and then humiliation in battle will follow.

It might be swift or it might be prolonged but if it gets to this, Turkey will not win. The best she can hope for is to maintain territorial integrity.

There are enough countries or peoples that directly or indirectly have their interests threatened or will be next in line for Turkish belligerence that they wont let it happen.

Erdog and Turkey in general are well over due a heavy dose of karma. it always comes around and will put her and keep her firmly in her place. Sorry to say.

The world is changing and will continue to change.

New challenges, power structures and alliances form and old ones become irrelevant or fade away.

[Maximus]

This is encouraging if it’s actually true. Usually, Germany usually side with Turkey,

Last time there was a vote in the EU for sanctions against Turkey, Germany, Bulgaria, Malta, Italy and Hungary vetoed the motion. I was surprised at Bulgaria, Malta and Italy doing this.

If they have come to understand there is no chance of a sensible dialogue with Turkey, then I welcome it.

This is what Macron had to say

“Germany and other partners are beginning to agree with us that Turkey’s agenda is problematic today. When six months ago people were saying France is the only one blaming Turkey for things, everyone now sees that there is a problem.”

The German foreign minister saw it with his own eyes and heard it with his own ears while trying to mediate between Ankara and Athens.

They are all deaf, blind and dumb until they actually try to help resolve any problems that involve Turkey with logic, rationality and within the framework of the appropriate law.

I cant believe the EU are so quick to sanction Belarus's dictator while Endorgan has been committing an assortment of crimes over time and literally gets away with blackmail.

It just boggles the mind at how slow some of these leaders are in realizing that Turkey is a rogue state......

[Maximus]

I think it’s now time for Mossad to assassinate Erdowan. How hard could it really be for an organisation like Mossad which was able to head hunt the biggest NAZIs from the 4 corners of the globe with such clinical and expert precision?

America fears Russia militarily and China financially, so their priorities are way different to ours here in Cyprus.

The US considers Turkey a containment of Russia in the Black sea and a base from which they can spy on Russia.

So ErdoCunt has gotten away with much... and while Israel is important to the US, it is of secondary importance compared to the containment/confrontation of Russia.

So for as long as America perceives Turkey as a southern barrier to Russia, Erdo will be getting away with… well pretty much anything!

And the fact that Erdo shot down a Russian jet a couple of years ago and Putin did not respond… has only strengthened this US perception.

So, it’s up to Turkey’s opponents to sway American opinion in a different direction, if the US is to start treating Turkey differently… but unfortunately neither Greece nor Cyprus has ever produced a politician capable of convincing an ant to change course, let alone America.

Unfortunately, we are stuck in limbo and only drastic action (ie: war) can dislodge this horrible catch-22.

Turkey being a southern barrier to Russia is an obsolete perception.

Turkey is more of a threat to Europe and the med than Russia is.

And to think, she was a candidate country to become a member of the EU.

It has turned out to be the biggest joke of the millennium and a Trojan horse that the EU quite nearly fell for..

[CrookedRiverGuy]

I think it’s now time for Mossad to assassinate Erdowan. How hard could it really be for an organisation like Mossad which was able to head hunt the biggest NAZIs from the 4 corners of the globe with such clinical and expert precision?

Utter stupidity. They usually screw up, like the killing of an innocent waiter in Lillehammer. Even with all their spies in Beirut and throughout Lebanon they didn't get close to the glorious السيّد حسن in 28 years. They're just as pathetic as Boy scouts.

[Get Real!]

I think it’s now time for Mossad to assassinate Erdowan. How hard could it really be for an organisation like Mossad which was able to head hunt the biggest NAZIs from the 4 corners of the globe with such clinical and expert precision?

America fears Russia militarily and China financially, so their priorities are way different to ours here in Cyprus.

The US considers Turkey a containment of Russia in the Black sea and a base from which they can spy on Russia.

So ErdoCunt has gotten away with much... and while Israel is important to the US, it is of secondary importance compared to the containment/confrontation of Russia.

So for as long as America perceives Turkey as a southern barrier to Russia, Erdo will be getting away with… well pretty much anything!

And the fact that Erdo shot down a Russian jet a couple of years ago and Putin did not respond… has only strengthened this US perception.

So, it’s up to Turkey’s opponents to sway American opinion in a different direction, if the US is to start treating Turkey differently… but unfortunately neither Greece nor Cyprus has ever produced a politician capable of convincing an ant to change course, let alone America.

Unfortunately, we are stuck in limbo and only drastic action (ie: war) can dislodge this horrible catch-22.

Turkey being a southern barrier to Russia is an obsolete perception.

Turkey is more of a threat to Europe and the med than Russia is.

And to think, she was a candidate country to become a member of the EU.

It has turned out to be the biggest joke of the millennium and a Trojan horse that the EU quite nearly fell for..

Tell all that to Uncle Sam who is stuck in his 50s mentality... America can’t even normalize their relationship with Cuba over half a century on... and all Turkey had to do was remind Trump that Turkey aided in the Korean War and he was instantly bought!

America is always run by some old geezer living 50 years in the past.

[Maximus]

I think they are coming to terms with it GR,

Since when did the US support Cyprus and shun Turkey? just recently, the US has lifted a decades old arms embargo on Cyprus and has stopped providing military equipment to Turkey. it has been two years now. And this is a so called NATO member. The US also support Cyprus's right to her EEZ sovereignty and doesnt support Turkeys claims to that at all.

For all intents and purposes, NATO is also obsolete but the organization just exists for US and European security. I dont really think all the other members will count on Turkey being a southern barrier to Russia when push comes to shove. Turkey will only expect to receive the mutual defense pact but probably wont contribute to it. I also cant see the other NATO members defending Turkey from any Russian aggression. You see Greece, or France doing that? or Germany without France, or the other northern European states without the others? The US wont, I am pretty confident about that.

Do you even see Greece going to war with Russia, when they technically have good historical relations? Russia isnt really a threat anyway. Since when did they threaten European or US interests?

What is happening now is that the US is pulling back troops from the EU and the EU will have to take a more independent role in its own security and foreign policy. The US is practically in a civil war, or on the verge of one and all these foreign adventures over the decades is taking its toll on the nations debt. Which has allowed China to close the wealth gap. The US's power projection tomorrow wont be the same as it was yesteryear.

The EU will have to find its teeth and nails if it wants to be taken seriously on the world stage. Its not as if they dont have any, because all this virtue signalling becomes hypocritical and ineffective with tyrants. You know? Which means dealing with the belligerent challengers, like the so called NATO ally and partner, islamo facist rogue state in Anatolia.

The EU is going to have to engage with the region with today's problems and challenges and leave the US's cold war propaganda to the side.