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[Maximus]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didn't sit right with me at the time either.

There was a fire from a fireworks storage facility nearby. The firecrackers could be seen going off.

hence, the ignition source which caused the explosion in Beirut.

it doesnt rule out sabotage though but if explosives were stored nearby, that is the dumbest decision ever.....

[Kikapu]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

If Cyprus secretly transferred the weapons to Syria, then the US, Brits though Ayios Nikolaos would know all about it.

Cyprus would have been in so much much shit and probably have sanctions.

You wouldn't want to be the Cyprus Government if it did such a thing and let the weapons into Syrian Army hands to use against their own population.

Again, the US has no interest in destroying an electricity facility responsible for supplying half the island with electricity. They did offer to take the weapons from Cyprus for disposal. An offer that should have been accepted if it were not for the incompetence of Tof. It was a US request that Cyprus intercept the shipment in the first place.

No one can predict the results of how a huge amount of explosives going off would be. The primary goal was to get rid of the weapons. It could have been the Turks, the British, the Israelis or the Americans were responsible for Mari. You know, the usual suspects in that part of the world.

[Paphitis]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

If Cyprus secretly transferred the weapons to Syria, then the US, Brits though Ayios Nikolaos would know all about it.

Cyprus would have been in so much much shit and probably have sanctions.

You wouldn't want to be the Cyprus Government if it did such a thing and let the weapons into Syrian Army hands to use against their own population.

Again, the US has no interest in destroying an electricity facility responsible for supplying half the island with electricity. They did offer to take the weapons from Cyprus for disposal. An offer that should have been accepted if it were not for the incompetence of Tof. It was a US request that Cyprus intercept the shipment in the first place.

No one can predict the results of how a huge amount of explosives going off would be. The primary goal was to get rid of the weapons. It could have been the Turks, the British, the Israelis or the Americans were responsible for Mari. You know, the usual suspects in that part of the world.

In Edinburgh, we have Ordnance Loading Zones surrounded with 270 degrees of massive cement walls that are 5 meters wide whenever our Orions, now Poseidons are loaded with Ordnance.

the ordnance are stored in massive cement bomb proof bunkers which are not visible by satellites.

there are regulations how the explosives are stored and handled. One mistake, and it's boom. can't afford to take any risks with the munitions. Torpedoes, missiles you name it, there is stuff in there that can sink massive ships., probably even an Aircraft carrier.

I don't believe the Americans, Israelis or Turks had anything to do with it.

[Kikapu]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

If Cyprus secretly transferred the weapons to Syria, then the US, Brits though Ayios Nikolaos would know all about it.

Cyprus would have been in so much much shit and probably have sanctions.

You wouldn't want to be the Cyprus Government if it did such a thing and let the weapons into Syrian Army hands to use against their own population.

Again, the US has no interest in destroying an electricity facility responsible for supplying half the island with electricity. They did offer to take the weapons from Cyprus for disposal. An offer that should have been accepted if it were not for the incompetence of Tof. It was a US request that Cyprus intercept the shipment in the first place.

No one can predict the results of how a huge amount of explosives going off would be. The primary goal was to get rid of the weapons. It could have been the Turks, the British, the Israelis or the Americans were responsible for Mari. You know, the usual suspects in that part of the world.

I don't believe the Americans, Israelis or Turks had anything to do with it.

OK, so you narrowed the culprit to be the British then!

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Whilst I also still believe it's a freak accident, I was going to suggest the possibility of Hezbollah involvement pretty much from the first day.

The Lebanese Government and Hezbollah are at odds with the Lebanese actually doing their lever best to keep this terrorist organisation out.

Hezbollah, had the motive. It at least makes a lot more sense and is feasible compared to any Israeli involvement.

However, I still believe it's an accident.

Hezbollah did it? Not credible! Cui Bono ..... they had nothing to gain. They had absolutely NO motive.

BUT .... as I said previously having bought Hezbollah into the picture it would give strength to any hypothesis that the Israeli's were involved in some way and carried out a false flag so that blame shines the light on Hezbollah and away from them! But that would not make sense.

One question springs to mind:

It is good to see that many countries in the region and around the World have raised their hands to help both physically and financially. But the finger points as far as I am concerned unwaveringly at the Lebanese politicians and the wealthy elite who have profited from robbing their own country for decades. A wealth gained through the very corruption that likely caused this tragedy.

So...... given the US/UK and other countries penchant for imposing sanctions and freezing overseas asset on the same people in countries whose governments they oppose, why are we not hearing that they have frozen all the overseas financial assets of the Lebanese politicians and elite? Once these people have no access to finance it will be easy for the people to round them (and their families) up and put them in front of a National or even International Court of Law? Any countries or organisations assisting them to escape justice, should also be threatened with Global UN sanctions. Let us have a modern version of the Nuremberg Nazi war crimes tribunal after WWII.

[Paphitis]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

If Cyprus secretly transferred the weapons to Syria, then the US, Brits though Ayios Nikolaos would know all about it.

Cyprus would have been in so much much shit and probably have sanctions.

You wouldn't want to be the Cyprus Government if it did such a thing and let the weapons into Syrian Army hands to use against their own population.

Again, the US has no interest in destroying an electricity facility responsible for supplying half the island with electricity. They did offer to take the weapons from Cyprus for disposal. An offer that should have been accepted if it were not for the incompetence of Tof. It was a US request that Cyprus intercept the shipment in the first place.

No one can predict the results of how a huge amount of explosives going off would be. The primary goal was to get rid of the weapons. It could have been the Turks, the British, the Israelis or the Americans were responsible for Mari. You know, the usual suspects in that part of the world.

I don't believe the Americans, Israelis or Turks had anything to do with it.

OK, so you narrowed the culprit to be the British then!

To achieve what? What would they gain when they would easily know where the weapons are?

Once they are moved, they can tract them if its that important, and if they find out they actually went to Syria, then Cyprus has it's arms embargo extended for more decades. it's not an easy thing for Cyprus to stuff around with because the loss to Cyprus politically would be 100 times worse and Cyprus would be the end loser.

The US has these other ways to inflict damage without killing innocent people.

It's just like the explosion in Beirut. The Israelis just wouldn't do such an act which kills hundreds of people and makes 300000 people homeless. this goes against their interest. they have no desire to destroy Lebanon or their Government and make things worse for themselves with Hezbollah filling the void.

[Kikapu]

Ammonium nitrate is not combustible on its own.

it is an oxidizer that can provide oxygen to accelerate and magnify the combustion process of other fuels.

Which means, something else ignited a flame close by for the ammonium nitrate to come in to contact with it.

Causing the explosion.

The heat of day, wouldn't have been enough, because ammonium nitrate is not combustible. Unless the sun caused other fuels to combust close by. Which I doubt.

I suspect that sabotage may have been involved.

Like the Mari incident in Cyprus, the munitions blew up in the middle of the night.

That didnt sit right with me at the time either.

If I’m not mistaken, explosives at Mari were confiscated from a shipment heading to Syria, therefore, anyone not wanting those weapons to ever reach Syria had reasons to destroy them. No doubt no personal harm was intended if explosion was deliberate, but regardless, it did kill several people as well as blew out the power station. The question is, who didn’t want those weapons to ever reach Syria? I can think of few countries on that list.

If Cyprus secretly transferred the weapons to Syria, then the US, Brits though Ayios Nikolaos would know all about it.

Cyprus would have been in so much much shit and probably have sanctions.

You wouldn't want to be the Cyprus Government if it did such a thing and let the weapons into Syrian Army hands to use against their own population.

Again, the US has no interest in destroying an electricity facility responsible for supplying half the island with electricity. They did offer to take the weapons from Cyprus for disposal. An offer that should have been accepted if it were not for the incompetence of Tof. It was a US request that Cyprus intercept the shipment in the first place.

No one can predict the results of how a huge amount of explosives going off would be. The primary goal was to get rid of the weapons. It could have been the Turks, the British, the Israelis or the Americans were responsible for Mari. You know, the usual suspects in that part of the world.

I don't believe the Americans, Israelis or Turks had anything to do with it.

OK, so you narrowed the culprit to be the British then!

To achieve what? What would they gain when they would easily know where the weapons are?

Once they are moved, they can tract them if its that important, and if they find out they actually went to Syria, then Cyprus has it's arms embargo extended for more decades. it's not an easy thing for Cyprus to stuff around with because the loss to Cyprus politically would be 100 times worse and Cyprus would be the end loser.
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Yes but, in 2009, Cyprus was much closer to Russia than they may be now, so helping the Russians to move the weapons to Syria may not have been too improbable. The seized weapons shipment were from Russia if my memory serves me right.

[Londonrake]

You’re neglecting the obvious Gentlemen............ The Martians.

“....and slowly and surely (they) drew their plans against us”

[Robin Hood]

You’re neglecting the obvious Gentlemen............ The Martians.

“....and slowly and surely (they) drew their plans against us”

I have not seen that suggested anywhere so I assume it is your own personal conspiracy theory? Have you been out in the sun without sun-screen and your hat?

[Paphitis]

Yes but, in 2009, Cyprus was much closer to Russia than they may be now, so helping the Russians to move the weapons to Syria may not have been too improbable. The seized weapons shipment were from Russia if my memory serves me right.

I think that Russia thing is overly exagerated in itself.

Yes, at the kafeneio, Cypriots think the Russians are our Orthodox Brothers.

However, Russia acts like a loan shark. happy to loan Cyprus the billions it needed for a bail out, but at a cost of becoming a Russian serf. A pawn for Russia to use on the chess board against NATO and western interests. in the end, Cyprus being the big loser. Just like it always has been when it plays dangerous games like these.

Let's not forget that right now, our Orthodox Brothers (Russians) are on turkey's side with regard to Turkey turning Agia Sophia into a mosque. In order to:

a) bring down the Orthodox Patriarchate of Constantinople (Orthodoxy's Vatican), for recognizing the Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarchate, and
b) get Turkey our of NATO to destabilize the alliance.

So I disagree that the Cyprus Government is closer to Russia than it is with Israel at present. And as a consequence of all that I actually believe Cyprus is closer to Britain, and the US as well as the EU than it is with Russia.

However, yes, in the strange world of the kafeneio, we are still brothers with the Russians. The Brits and Americans are still evil. And the Israelis are the devil and in charge of the free masons and the new world order Illuminati. Have I got it right?