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[Maximus]

Indeed, the question is simple.

(Despite the risk of what fanatics might do), would you join in a public rally to stand under the Flag of Cyprus in the occupied territories, demonstrating your solidarity as a Cypriot?

...if Akinci was willing to stand under the Flag of Cyprus, would you join him?

And who are these people you talk about to you, how are they different to you; are they not Cypriots, not "Turkish", not "Greek"?

...they are my heroes; you?

This is misleading RW,

I wouldnt rally with people in the occupied area waving the flag of Cyprus that also harbor expectations and thoughts about a Turkish guaranteed apartheid.

Why would I do that?

Akinci can wave the flag of Cyprus all he likes, its the ideology that counts. And we know what he is about.

[repulsewarrior]

...if you are unwilling to stand as a Cypriot among other Cypriots, i am surprised.

How can you expect Turkish Cypriots to do the right thing? Why? How do you expect them to trust and respect the Cypriot Republic, if they are left alone to defend themselves as Cypriots?

You have the bigoted view that Turks are "Turks" because "Turks" exist; i say Greeks who think Greeks are "Greeks", or should be, are traitors, like "Turks", no different.

...frankly i have had enough of the politics that excludes the notion that Cypriots exist, or that it will be "Greeks" and "Turks" who will define this Identity as though it does not exist already.

[repulsewarrior]

"Akinci can wave the flag of Cyprus all he likes, its the ideology that counts. And we know what he is about."

...you said it yourself, he might get shot doing that, and if it happened, what would you say?

He may be a "Turk", i won't argue with you there. On the other hand, he may just as well be Cypriot; certainly this is what the "Turks" claim.

[Maximus]

What are you talking about?

I am gobsmacked that you would rally with people waving the Cypriot flag in the occipied areas that harbor thoughts and expectations of a Turkish guaranteed apartheid in Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

I'm sorry but MR is being insincere towards Cypriots.

It seems all Cypriots are "c@nts" now for being ethnically cleansed from their homes, villages and towns in the occupied areas. The area has been turkified completely, with our church's and national inheritance virtually destroyed.

If Turkey wanted to protect TC's from any violence as a result of the Coup, they had a responsibility under the Zurich Agreement to remain only until the agreements were implemented and functioning by re-instating the dejure Makarios Government and TC Vice President and withdraw from the island once everything stabilizes and the security of the TC's is achieved.

That was not their objective. the objective was to ethnically cleanse part of the island and permanently occupy the island and Turkify it. the long term objective is to take the entire island and give the GCs a life jacket. this is what MR wants and wants the GCs to accept until Turkey fulfills all its long term objectives.

[repulsewarrior]

Max you are generalising.

Are you telling me that Cypriots would not join such a rally because it is ethnically mixed? I don't think so.

How do you identify a "Turk" or a Turk, a Greek or a "Greek". Do you really think that a "Greek" or a "Turk" would stand with this Flag to support a Free, Independent, and Sovereign Cyprus of Cypriots?

...and are you telling me that Cyprus does not harbour Greeks with thoughts and expectations of a "Greek" guaranteed apartheid in Cyprus.
(let's be serious about the coup; do you honestly think the Junta did not plan for Turkey's intervention, or that there was no deal with them before the coup?)

...the Flag is all we have as Cypriots to rally around publicly, but ourselves.

[Maximus]

...the Flag is all we have as Cypriots to rally around publicly, but ourselves.

Max you are generalising.

Are you telling me that Cypriots would not join such a group because of the ethnic mix? I don't think so.

How do you identify a "Turk" or a Turk, a Greek or a "Greek". Do you really think that a "Greek" or a "Turk" would stand with this Flag to support a Free, Independent, and Sovereign Cyprus of Cypriots?

Its not about the ethnic mix, I said it is about ideology.

I think you are generalizing,

What you are talking about is similar to these bicommunal events that take place where reunification pundits get together to show their support for it. One group (lets say from the occupied areas) believe in "political equality", vetos, disproportionate "shares" for their community, Turkish guarantees and troops etc. and to keep what they stole. The other group, (lets say from the free areas) believe in democracy, independence, no guarantees, no Turkish troops, removal of settlers, member state of the EU, return of their property etc....

With both groups shouting, "unit Cyprus now", when being united with these ideologies is insurmountable for both sides.

Why would I go to this and show my support to those in the occupied areas?

This is what you are saying.

Akinci believes in the former and you are asking me if I would stand with him if he was waving the flag of the republic of Cyprus. The answer is why would I?. I dont support his ideology, the flag waving is inconsequential.

[repulsewarrior]

...and how could he? There are no pictures of Akinci under the Cyprus Flag, why?

"The other group, (lets say from the free areas) believe in democracy, independence, no guarantees, no Turkish troops, removal of settlers, member state of the EU, return of their property etc...."

...If he stood under the Flag, what would be the conclusion, except that he supports this "other group"?

[Maximus]

RW,

he just needs to reach a comprehensive agreement with his counterpart.

Its not that difficult for him to demonstrate if he believes the same thing as the Republic of Cyprus.

BUT, it is and he doesn't.

[repulsewarrior]

...if anyone called to join them under "our" Flag, in the occupied territories, and then set the conditions that you suggest, they may not get out of such an event unhurt. Cypriots exist, it is clear to them who they are.