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by **Maximus** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:52 pm

Kikapu wrote:If the Christian and non Christian world is offended by the opening of Hagia Sophia, then they should boycott Turkey by not visiting it. Hurt Turkey where it hurts, in their pocket book. Turks only understand money.

I refuse to visit Turkey any longer since the last 7 years.

Maybe so,

But this, along with aggressive and illegal confrontational moves in the Med might see the end of Turkeys custom union with the EU.

The European Union is seeking ways of imposing sanctions on Turkey in the event that its transgressions in the East Mediterranean are scaled up, and in the wake of its decision to convert Hagia Sophia into a mosque.

According to well-informed sources, those sanctions are likely to include the cessation of accession talks with Ankara and of funding, as well as the revocation of its customs union agreement with the bloc.

https://ahvalnews.com/eu-turkey/eu-may- ... s-increase

by **repulsewarrior** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:10 am

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/analysis/analy ... cy/1910049

...this the propaganda from Turkey. (warning: if you are sensitive this will be hard to read)

Perhaps it's true that many Muslims will return to prey at St. Sophia's, that it will represent a power equal to the Vatican one day; after all they number in Billions, too.

...but at what price this Liberty, if it means, none for the rest of us; (just look at Istanbul today). Erdogan may find support from his Brotherhood, and so he is not alone. An arsenal of Democracy they are not.

by **Maximus** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:42 am

repulsewarrior wrote:https://www.aa.com.tr/en/analysis/analysis-turkey-the-new-great-arsenal-of-democracy/1910049

...this the propaganda from Turkey. (warning: if you are sensitive this will be hard to read)

Perhaps it's true that many Muslims will return to prey at St. Sophia's, that it will represent a power equal to the Vatican one day; after all they number in Billions, too.

...but at what price this Liberty, if it means, none for the rest of us; (just look at Istanbul today). Erdogan may find support from his Brotherhood, and so he is not alone. An arsenal of Democracy they are not.

It was hard to read,

Its an inverted narrative.

90% of it is projection.

"we are the good democratic guys and they are all bad" when really its "We are the trouble making oppressive dictatorship trying to be the regional hegemon"

by **repulsewarrior** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:24 am

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... y%20Turkey

...more on the subject; for the record.

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:47 pm

Nobel prize-winning Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk says, “There are millions of secular Turks like me who are crying against this but their voices are not heard.”

https://www.duvarenglish.com/domestic/2 ... r-secular/

by **Paphitis** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:15 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Nobel prize-winning Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk says, “There are millions of secular Turks like me who are crying against this but their voices are not heard.”

https://www.duvarenglish.com/domestic/2 ... r-secular/

I have no doubt about this.

Erdogan isn't supported by everyone.

I for one can't understand how Erdogan has managed to survive from the Military establishment. maybe he has stacked the armed forces with his cronies because the military hierarchy is usually the breeding ground of the secularists. They had a go a few years ago and some how, Erdogan managed to survive. I thought he was a dead man then.

by **Tim Drayton** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:57 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Nobel prize-winning Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk says, “There are millions of secular Turks like me who are crying against this but their voices are not heard.”

https://www.duvarenglish.com/domestic/2 ... r-secular/

I have no doubt about this.

Erdogan isn't supported by everyone.

I for one can't understand how Erdogan has managed to survive from the Military establishment. maybe he has stacked the armed forces with his cronies because the military hierarchy is usually the breeding ground of the secularists. They had a go a few years ago and some how, Erdogan managed to survive. I thought he was a dead man then.

- The military has now been filled with Islamists. The days when it was the bedrock of Kemalism are over.

- As to the 15 July 2016 attempted coup, theories abound but one that has merit is that a Kemalist group within the military tricked the Gülenists into starting a coup saying they would support them and then they went to Erdoğan and told him they could stop the coup if he accpeted their demands. This was seemingly a group on the fascist wing of Kemalilsm. This would then explain the subsequent permanent inclusion in government of the far-right MHP and a nutcase like Doğu Perinçek and the stunning policy U-turns that Erdoğan made following the failed coup, especially abandoning the bold moves he had been taking to find a political solution to the Kurdish problem and making it a military issue once more and taking harsh moves against the HDP party which has its origins in the Kurdish movement going as far as throwing many of its leading lights into jail.

I am not so sure his rule will be permament. Last year, the secular opposition CHP won a poll that was highly rigged against it with its candidate Ekrem İmamoğlu for the highly critical post of Istanbul Metropolitan Mayor, previously Erdoğan's own springboard to national power. There is a manifest trend in Turkish society that sees young people in particular openly professing allegiance to deism and even atheism as opposed to Islam. Essentially, having corrupt and incompetent Islamists in power has sickened many people and left them seeking an alternative. The only question is whether Erdoğan and the Islamist AKP will ever agree to go by means of election.

by **Maximus** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:21 pm

He has undermined democracy in Turkey and cancel culture reigns supreme there.

He has infiltrated and corrupted the judiciary, the media, the military, the financial sector, the civil service, the police and the schools.

Any opposition voices are scared that the AKP mob will come for them if they speak up.

The last coup was staged so he can usurp power and purge opposition and suppress peoples rights under some guise of state of emergency.

His rule will be permanent, until his death or until blood is spilled to dislodge him.

I am quite confident about that;

If not, then he will pass the relay on to his son or some shit like that.

Turkey is a dictatorship, and these dont end unless there is a revolution and historically these are not peaceful.

Turkey is not a rule based democracy.

by **Kikapu** » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:26 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Nobel prize-winning Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk says, “There are millions of secular Turks like me who are crying against this but their voices are not heard.”

https://www.duvarenglish.com/domestic/2 ... r-secular/

I have no doubt about this.

Erdogan isn't supported by everyone.

I for one can't understand how Erdogan has managed to survive from the Military establishment. maybe he has stacked the armed forces with his cronies because the military hierarchy is usually the breeding ground of the secularists. They had a go a few years ago and some how, Erdogan managed to survive. I thought he was a dead man then.

The so called coup few years ago was an inside job by Erdogan himself to have the excuse to perch the secularist from the military, the police and civil servants to protect himself from a real coup. How do you explain a low flying F-16 missing the presidential palace by dropping it’s bombs away from the palace and being filmed at the same time? :wink: